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At this point, it looks as though maintaining the vaccines' very marginal protection against SARS-CoV-2 requires biannual dosing with more spike-generating boos

At this point, it looks as though maintaining the vaccines' very marginal protection against SARS-CoV-2 requires biannual dosing with more spike-generating booster doses. Even in this case, the protection is marginal. While the vaccinated may clear the virus from a breakthrough infection more quickly, the peak viral loads are about the same. There's also the question of biodistribution. Do the spikes from the vaccine wind up in more sensitive, easily damaged cells than the ones which occur from a SARS-CoV-2 infection? Anecdotally, most of my close contacts who were vaccinated spent more time out of commission and had a far worse time than I did with COVID (although I did start treatment early on the second day of symptoms with the FLCCC ivermectin protocol). Theoretically all the vaccine is doing is creating a bunch of spike protein -- if the dose is so much lower why does it affect people so much more? I still see so much discussion premised on the idea that there is still some tradeoff to be made between mutually exclusive outcomes of "get vaccinated" or "get infected" and it's simply not the case.

maxerickson 5y ago
Having had 3 doses (I'm overweight, they offered me a 3rd shot at a recent appointment), I had about 6 hours of mild fatigue so far from the vaccines (a day after the 2nd shot). Par for the course for anyone I've talked to about it, with some people having more like a day of fatigue. Many fewer vaccinated people are getting infected than unvaccinated, so the comparison between people that do get infected isn't the whole story.
- geomark 5y ago
  Many fewer vaccinated people are getting infected than unvaccinated I think the data is showing that isn't true, that the numbers are nearly equal in places with a high percentage of the population vaccinated. The only benefit is that the vaccinated don't get as severely ill.
  - maxerickson 5y ago
    The percentages aren't the same, incidence is much lower (6x) among the vaccinated. https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95119 https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/9511...
    - AndrewBissell 5y ago
      These numbers don't pass the smell test, it's just more nonsense being pumped out by the CDC to push the vaccines, probably in large part an artifact of wildly different levels of testing being done with the unvaccinated vs vaccinated. In the UK every age group over 30 is seeing a higher case rate in the vaccinated. I think this is probably explained by a higher prevalence of natural immunity in the unvaccinated cohort but it also shows the vaccines are not providing a high level of prevention of infection: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-efficacy-stats-death-watch https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-efficacy-stats-death-...
      - maxerickson 5y ago
        Hilarious. "The evidence is fake, take the mectin".
        AndrewBissell 5y ago
        Actually what I think you should do is continue to proceed as though the vaccines make you impervious to COVID and see how it works out.
        maxerickson 5y ago
        Do you use the same rigor in information gathering in developing all of your opinions as you used in developing your opinion about my approach to COVID?
      - belltaco 5y ago
        Not true, see the graph. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scicheck-why-its-easy-to-misinterpret-numbers-of-deaths-among-the-vaccinated/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scicheck-why-its-easy-to-m...

maxerickson 5y ago

Having had 3 doses (I'm overweight, they offered me a 3rd shot at a recent appointment), I had about 6 hours of mild fatigue so far from the vaccines (a day after the 2nd shot). Par for the course for anyone I've talked to about it, with some people having more like a day of fatigue. Many fewer vaccinated people are getting infected than unvaccinated, so the comparison between people that do get infected isn't the whole story.

geomark 5y ago
Many fewer vaccinated people are getting infected than unvaccinated I think the data is showing that isn't true, that the numbers are nearly equal in places with a high percentage of the population vaccinated. The only benefit is that the vaccinated don't get as severely ill.
- maxerickson 5y ago
  The percentages aren't the same, incidence is much lower (6x) among the vaccinated. https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95119 https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/9511...
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    These numbers don't pass the smell test, it's just more nonsense being pumped out by the CDC to push the vaccines, probably in large part an artifact of wildly different levels of testing being done with the unvaccinated vs vaccinated. In the UK every age group over 30 is seeing a higher case rate in the vaccinated. I think this is probably explained by a higher prevalence of natural immunity in the unvaccinated cohort but it also shows the vaccines are not providing a high level of prevention of infection: https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-efficacy-stats-death-watch https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/ukhsa-efficacy-stats-death-...
    - maxerickson 5y ago
      Hilarious. "The evidence is fake, take the mectin".
      - AndrewBissell 5y ago
        Actually what I think you should do is continue to proceed as though the vaccines make you impervious to COVID and see how it works out.
        maxerickson 5y ago
        Do you use the same rigor in information gathering in developing all of your opinions as you used in developing your opinion about my approach to COVID?
    - belltaco 5y ago
      Not true, see the graph. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scicheck-why-its-easy-to-misinterpret-numbers-of-deaths-among-the-vaccinated/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scicheck-why-its-easy-to-m...