With Arch, I've had several times on separate machines when after updating I have had to mess around with recovery stuff, manually boot and reinstall grub or wh

With Arch, I've had several times on separate machines when after updating I have had to mess around with recovery stuff, manually boot and reinstall grub or whatever. I really don't need cutting edge packages, so I don't use it any more, but I understand why people would want a lean system by default.