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>On average, people that get vaccinated will be exposed to much, much, much less spike protein than those that get infected Except unlike a natural infection w
by twofornone 5y ago
>On average, people that get vaccinated will be exposed to much, much, much less spike protein than those that get infected
Except unlike a natural infection with a gradual ramp up, the vaccine is effectively an immediate megadose of an inflammatory and apparently potentially mutagenic protein. Blindly presuming that the vaccine is preferable to natural immunity from infection is, frankly, dangerous.
In addition, during the course of a natural infection, your cells are producing the full, assembled virus from the full viral genome. With the vaccine your cells are producing a single inflammatory protein which then embeds itself in the surfaces of your own cells, producing an autoimmune response in effect. Given the hysteresis of the human immune system there is a nonzero risk of semipermanent to permanent autoimmune effects/disorders. And obviously a side effect like a subtle autoimmune disorder would be extremely difficult to detect in such a short time scale, doubly so if clinicians and researchers are not actively looking for evidence. Just diagnosing known autoimmune disorders can take years...and there's no guarantee that such a side effect would manifest in the near term.
Two years in and the danger of COVID in healthy people, as in complication rate, has clearly been overstated. Ask yourself, if it weren't for news reports, would you even be aware from your day to day life that we are still in the midst of a pandemic? If the answer is no, then mandating an experimental vaccine, based on an untested technology, for what amounts to a bad flu, is unjustifiable.
Edit: and on top of all that, considering that the vast majority of cases are asymptomatic or mild, there's no reason to suspect that the total exposure of someone who builds natural immunity will produce a comparable exposure to spike proteins. Not to mention the assertion that everyone eventually will be exposed is also unfounded, and likely does not apply to rural populations.
- foxrider 5y agoTo me, the answer is, sadly - yes. The record of infections per day is being broken daily where I live, and in the past week alone I've lost good family friends and a neighbor. If I had to go from my anecdotal data I would say that it's at its worst right now. What I can also say about that is 3 people that died weren't vaccinated and one person was vaccinated by an EpiVacCorona shot, she sadly burned up in a week. The effectiveness of EpiVacCorona is still not proven to this day, despite being authorized.
- dukeofdoom 5y ago[flagged]
- geomark 5y agoI think because they aren't sterilizing vaccines. They don't prevent infection or transmission. They just reduce severity of the disease.
- bigbillheck 5y agoIf it weren't for news reports there is nothing in my day to day life that would make me aware that, say, the US is bombing Syria. Also the Pfizer vaccine's been approved, it's no longer 'experimental'.
- AndrewBissell 5y agoThe question of whether the vaccines are experimental does not hinge upon the proclamations of a captured regulatory agency with a revolving door to the companies it's regulating. They have approved an experimental vaccine. Not only that, but you can't actually get the approved Comirnaty version of the Pfizer shots. The "legally distinct" EUA injections are still the only ones available. The FDA's "approval" is a bait-and-switch.
- bigbillheck 5y agoAll vaccines are experimental until they're approved.
- Pyramus 5y agoNo "they" are forcing us to be part of a human experiment. It doesn't matter that what I eat, or the fact that I drive a car, or other medication I take is several orders of magnitude more risky than getting vaccinated. I just don't want others to decide what's good for me.
- ceejayoz 5y agoWhen you eat, others have likely decided what's good for you - the meat is probably USDA inspected, the grain subject to requirements on maximum levels of rodent and insect bits, etc. When you drive, others have decided crumple zones, air bags, brake lights, and other such things are good for you.
- twofornone 5y agoThe difference is that Syria is thousands of miles away and poses no threat to you, unlike a supposedly deadly pandemic. >Also the Pfizer vaccine's been approved, it's no longer 'experimental This is dishonest. The fact that a political machine suspended due process and rushed a politically and financially motivated approval does not imply that the vaccine is no longer experimental. We still don't even know how well or for how long it works, judging by the rapidly falling efficacy numbers over time. In addition to the paradoxical statistics showing record cases in the most highly vaccinated countries. It took five years for the mutagenicity of thalidomide to be discovered, but not before causing severe birth defects in thousands of children. Meanwhile we've just given the green light to billions of doses with absolutely no medium or long term safety data, in a political climate where questioning vaccine safety/efficacy is social and career suicide. Practically asking for trouble under such circumstances.