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Isn't it a bit of a penmanship bias that the slaves you hear about in history have more dignity? All writing is propaganda to a degree, while we see here eviden

Isn't it a bit of a penmanship bias that the slaves you hear about in history have more dignity? All writing is propaganda to a degree, while we see here evidence of multiple people locked in a tiny room

GhettoComputers 5y ago
You see evidence for the sleep quarters and assume they’re locked in, what evidence do you have to claim that? Where is the evidence of slave abuse you feel is true? From archeology of Herculaneum they looked at a household with a slave and noted that one of the remains was fat, well fed man and had many signs of eating a meat rich diet, and a girl found was less nourished and had signs of malnutrition. They assumed from his healthy bones he was the master and the teen girl was the slave. The well fed man was the cook, a slave and the young girl was vegetarian by choice and the daughter of the master of the household. Your assumptions of it being propaganda are not factually accurate.
- ludamad 5y ago
  You're right, evidence of locked is not there. And I'm not fully convinced they're slaves, either, as many conditions bind people to work. There's definitely a lot of ambiguity from these time periods, but whitewashing slavery in written text is a well-known phenomenon
- tablespoon 5y ago
  >> Isn't it a bit of a penmanship bias that the slaves you hear about in history have more dignity? All writing is propaganda to a degree, while we see here evidence of multiple people locked in a tiny room > You see evidence for the sleep quarters and assume they’re locked in, what evidence do you have to claim that? Where is the evidence of slave abuse you feel is true? People can be locked in by things other than a physical lock one the door. Didn't some slaves in classical times receive tattoos like "I belong to so and so, return me to him for a reward."? Edit: here's a citation: https://archive.archaeology.org/9903/abstracts/tattoo.html https://archive.archaeology.org/9903/abstracts/tattoo.html > A legal inscription from Ephesus indicates that during the early Roman Empire all slaves exported to Asia were tattooed with the words "tax paid." "Stop me, I'm a runaway" was another standard motto etched on the brows of Roman slaves. New research indicates that Roman authorities punished early Christians with forehead tattoos that condemned them to the mines. In A.D. 330, the first Christian emperor, Constantine, banned the practice of tattooing the faces of convicts, gladiators, and soldiers. Because the human face reflected "the image of divine beauty," he said, "it should not be defiled."
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    That’s reaching. You’re by that logic locked on the internet, the supermarket and tattood by your credit score.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > That’s reaching. No it's not. > You’re by that logic locked on the internet, the supermarket and tattood by your credit score. You in fact are, but those things aren't as severe as a tattoo on your face declaring your widely-recognized status as someone's property. The point is that social status and the conspiracy of the rest of society to enforce that can be just as confining if not more so than a literal lock. A prisoner that escapes from prison isn't free, so long as he's within reach of the society that put him there, and a prisoner who understands that may not bother to escape at all.
      - GhettoComputers 5y ago
        Yes I agree, mentally chaining someone is very harmful. > You in fact are, but those things aren't as severe as a tattoo on your face declaring your widely-recognized status as someone's property. How often did this happen and what evidence is there to support it’s widespread usage?
        tablespoon 5y ago
        > How often did this happen and what evidence is there to support it’s widespread usage? I suggest you do some research and find out to your satisfaction. For a comment thread, I've already provided a reasonable amount.

GhettoComputers 5y ago

You see evidence for the sleep quarters and assume they’re locked in, what evidence do you have to claim that? Where is the evidence of slave abuse you feel is true? From archeology of Herculaneum they looked at a household with a slave and noted that one of the remains was fat, well fed man and had many signs of eating a meat rich diet, and a girl found was less nourished and had signs of malnutrition. They assumed from his healthy bones he was the master and the teen girl was the slave. The well fed man was the cook, a slave and the young girl was vegetarian by choice and the daughter of the master of the household. Your assumptions of it being propaganda are not factually accurate.

ludamad 5y ago
You're right, evidence of locked is not there. And I'm not fully convinced they're slaves, either, as many conditions bind people to work. There's definitely a lot of ambiguity from these time periods, but whitewashing slavery in written text is a well-known phenomenon
tablespoon 5y ago
>> Isn't it a bit of a penmanship bias that the slaves you hear about in history have more dignity? All writing is propaganda to a degree, while we see here evidence of multiple people locked in a tiny room > You see evidence for the sleep quarters and assume they’re locked in, what evidence do you have to claim that? Where is the evidence of slave abuse you feel is true? People can be locked in by things other than a physical lock one the door. Didn't some slaves in classical times receive tattoos like "I belong to so and so, return me to him for a reward."? Edit: here's a citation: https://archive.archaeology.org/9903/abstracts/tattoo.html https://archive.archaeology.org/9903/abstracts/tattoo.html > A legal inscription from Ephesus indicates that during the early Roman Empire all slaves exported to Asia were tattooed with the words "tax paid." "Stop me, I'm a runaway" was another standard motto etched on the brows of Roman slaves. New research indicates that Roman authorities punished early Christians with forehead tattoos that condemned them to the mines. In A.D. 330, the first Christian emperor, Constantine, banned the practice of tattooing the faces of convicts, gladiators, and soldiers. Because the human face reflected "the image of divine beauty," he said, "it should not be defiled."
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  That’s reaching. You’re by that logic locked on the internet, the supermarket and tattood by your credit score.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > That’s reaching. No it's not. > You’re by that logic locked on the internet, the supermarket and tattood by your credit score. You in fact are, but those things aren't as severe as a tattoo on your face declaring your widely-recognized status as someone's property. The point is that social status and the conspiracy of the rest of society to enforce that can be just as confining if not more so than a literal lock. A prisoner that escapes from prison isn't free, so long as he's within reach of the society that put him there, and a prisoner who understands that may not bother to escape at all.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      Yes I agree, mentally chaining someone is very harmful. > You in fact are, but those things aren't as severe as a tattoo on your face declaring your widely-recognized status as someone's property. How often did this happen and what evidence is there to support it’s widespread usage?
      - tablespoon 5y ago
        > How often did this happen and what evidence is there to support it’s widespread usage? I suggest you do some research and find out to your satisfaction. For a comment thread, I've already provided a reasonable amount.