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Nuclear is clean and sustainable and can allow people to mine bitcoin and even heat their homes, which seems to be a problem currently in some regions of Europe

by vadfa 5y ago

Nuclear is clean and sustainable and can allow people to mine bitcoin and even heat their homes, which seems to be a problem currently in some regions of Europe.

thg 5y ago
Nuclear is also a dead technology you can't have a rational discussion about, sadly. Much the same as GMOs.
- vadfa 5y ago
  The elites are working hard on impoverishing the average citizen as much as possible, and a very reliable way is to increase the price of power and food in the name of "ecology".
JustinVx 5y ago
Nuclear doesn’t produce any greenhouse gasses, but with the radioactive waste it generates it of course isn’t really clean. It’s also expensive and takes decades to build.
- DeusExMachina 5y ago
  That waste is much easier to dispose that the waste created by "renewables" like solar panels, especially with newer generation plants that burn old nuclear waste.
  - shadowfox 5y ago
    I am not sure how much you have looked at these newer plants? While must can use since amount of nuclear waste (which is great), their biproducts are only somewhat less toxic than the original. These are nowhere as clean as people seem to imagine.
newaccount74 5y ago
Nuclear energy may not release CO2 into the atmosphere, but that doesn't make it clean and sustainable: - you need to store radioactive waste for hundreds of years - "safe" permanent storage sites often end up not not being actually safe 50 years later - warming rivers by using the water for cooling may wreck local ecosystems The only thing that is actually sustainable is not using all the energy in the first place. Bitcoin is the opposite of that.
- DeusExMachina 5y ago
  Nuclear waste is much safer than all other waste from energy production: https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/06/19/stop-letting-your-ridiculous-fears-of-nuclear-waste-kill-the-planet/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/06/19...
- skohan 5y ago
  That all might be true, but there are ways to improve on those points. For instance thorium reactors are much more efficient in terms of waste, and they are much safer. A lot of problems we have with Nuclear is because the tech most widely used was created with a side goal of advancing nuclear weapon production. I'm by no means a nuclear maximalist, but I could see better nuclear being a component of a larger sustainable energy strategy.
  - gefhfff 5y ago
    Thorium reactors are a castle in the air
    - skohan 5y ago
      Everything is until it isn't right? Do you think there's a fundamental problem there, or is it just taking too long?
      - kitkat_new 5y ago
        taking too long is a fundamental problem here
gefhfff 5y ago
Stop the crap. Nuclear is neither clean (long term waste problem) nor a solution (building nuclear plants will take too long) And even less does it make sense to waste resources on mining hardware as well as mining farms that produce heat just as a by product. "Heating their homes" is as likely as Santa being real
forgotmyoldname 5y ago
I’m fine with nuclear, but producing excess nuclear waste simply to produce random bits to do absolutely nothing isn’t something I’d support.
- vadfa 5y ago
  I agree with you, but how exactly do you check for that? Put a telescreen in every home?
  - forgotmyoldname 5y ago
    Treat crypto no different from stocks. You can’t just buy, trade, and cash out stocks from some random guy online. Crypto is basically no different from stocks at this point—things change in value just because people think others expect the price to change and follow the herd.
progre 5y ago
As someone living near one of europes largest uranium deposits, i can tell you that nuclear itself might be clean, but getting the fuel is anything but. Uranium dont come in nice nuggets like gold, its mixed up with other things so that its only fractions of grams per ton of rock you have to mine. When this rock is processed we are left with big holes in the ground that shifts the level of the waterbed, and big piles of toxic rock dust that leaks all kinds of nasty shit into said ground water.
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  Same for the minerals needed for batteries or most other things. This is mining.

by vadfa 5y ago

Nuclear is clean and sustainable and can allow people to mine bitcoin and even heat their homes, which seems to be a problem currently in some regions of Europe.

thg 5y ago

Nuclear is also a dead technology you can't have a rational discussion about, sadly. Much the same as GMOs.

vadfa 5y ago
The elites are working hard on impoverishing the average citizen as much as possible, and a very reliable way is to increase the price of power and food in the name of "ecology".

JustinVx 5y ago

Nuclear doesn’t produce any greenhouse gasses, but with the radioactive waste it generates it of course isn’t really clean. It’s also expensive and takes decades to build.

DeusExMachina 5y ago
That waste is much easier to dispose that the waste created by "renewables" like solar panels, especially with newer generation plants that burn old nuclear waste.
- shadowfox 5y ago
  I am not sure how much you have looked at these newer plants? While must can use since amount of nuclear waste (which is great), their biproducts are only somewhat less toxic than the original. These are nowhere as clean as people seem to imagine.

newaccount74 5y ago

Nuclear energy may not release CO2 into the atmosphere, but that doesn't make it clean and sustainable: - you need to store radioactive waste for hundreds of years - "safe" permanent storage sites often end up not not being actually safe 50 years later - warming rivers by using the water for cooling may wreck local ecosystems The only thing that is actually sustainable is not using all the energy in the first place. Bitcoin is the opposite of that.

DeusExMachina 5y ago
Nuclear waste is much safer than all other waste from energy production: https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/06/19/stop-letting-your-ridiculous-fears-of-nuclear-waste-kill-the-planet/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/06/19...
skohan 5y ago
That all might be true, but there are ways to improve on those points. For instance thorium reactors are much more efficient in terms of waste, and they are much safer. A lot of problems we have with Nuclear is because the tech most widely used was created with a side goal of advancing nuclear weapon production. I'm by no means a nuclear maximalist, but I could see better nuclear being a component of a larger sustainable energy strategy.
- gefhfff 5y ago
  Thorium reactors are a castle in the air
  - skohan 5y ago
    Everything is until it isn't right? Do you think there's a fundamental problem there, or is it just taking too long?
    - kitkat_new 5y ago
      taking too long is a fundamental problem here

gefhfff 5y ago

Stop the crap. Nuclear is neither clean (long term waste problem) nor a solution (building nuclear plants will take too long) And even less does it make sense to waste resources on mining hardware as well as mining farms that produce heat just as a by product. "Heating their homes" is as likely as Santa being real

forgotmyoldname 5y ago

I’m fine with nuclear, but producing excess nuclear waste simply to produce random bits to do absolutely nothing isn’t something I’d support.

vadfa 5y ago
I agree with you, but how exactly do you check for that? Put a telescreen in every home?
- forgotmyoldname 5y ago
  Treat crypto no different from stocks. You can’t just buy, trade, and cash out stocks from some random guy online. Crypto is basically no different from stocks at this point—things change in value just because people think others expect the price to change and follow the herd.

progre 5y ago

As someone living near one of europes largest uranium deposits, i can tell you that nuclear itself might be clean, but getting the fuel is anything but. Uranium dont come in nice nuggets like gold, its mixed up with other things so that its only fractions of grams per ton of rock you have to mine. When this rock is processed we are left with big holes in the ground that shifts the level of the waterbed, and big piles of toxic rock dust that leaks all kinds of nasty shit into said ground water.

mytailorisrich 5y ago
Same for the minerals needed for batteries or most other things. This is mining.