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Good luck making any money if you can’t show relevant ads to users. But who cares about business owners. Certainly not the EU.

by havkd 5y ago

Nextgrid 5y ago
Good luck making money as a shitty restaurant that doesn't care about food safety and hygiene. But who cares about restaurant owners. Certainly not the EU. Snark aside, if you can't make money without stalking users, maybe you shouldn't be in business.
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  Is GDPR coming to restaurants somehow? Oh god! This really is getting worse and worse. Is this for things like remembering your favorite orders etc? I could see some GDPR arguments there. What if a waitress just remembers your orders in their head - will they need a consent form? If they put it in their CRM / sales system? The issue folks have is many users if given a choice, will take the free service (instagram / tiktok / free gmail) in return for being tracked if they are given a choice. Feel free to start up the business that doesn't do this (protonmail etc). But MAJOR services are built the other direction (ie, billions of users worldwide).
  - Nextgrid 5y ago
    > If they put it in their CRM / sales system? Yes, this would be covered by the GDPR and for good reason. If I join tonight's waiting list and provide a phone number in case they suddenly have a table become available I do not want that phone number to be reused for marketing spam down the line. > The issue folks have is many users if given a choice, will take the free service [...] in return for being tracked if they are given a choice. Apple's recent App Tracking Transparency stats suggest that when given a free choice, only 4% of users actually opt-in: https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/05/07/only-4-of-ios-users-in-us-are-opting-in-to-ad-tracking-report-says https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/05/07/only-4-of-ios-use... So clearly, when given the choice, most people would rather not be tracked. The problem the GDPR is trying to address is that people are not given the choice. > But MAJOR services are built the other direction There were plenty of businesses in the past that were built on basics that we now deem harmful. Back in the early 20th century, it was legal to sell radioactive water and market it as a miracle cure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor Society has since determined this is harmful and outlawed that. The same thing is currently happening with environmental pollution, and the GDPR is trying to do the same for noxious business models on the web.
tomjen3 5y ago
Write about tree, show an add for outdoor shoes. I mean I will still block it, but most people wouldn't.
deworms 5y ago
I don't want advertisers and people who rely on tracking to stay relevant to survive.
C19is20 5y ago
And, indeed - good luck to you.

Good luck making any money if you can’t show relevant ads to users. But who cares about business owners. Certainly not the EU.

by havkd 5y ago

Good luck making any money if you can’t show relevant ads to users. But who cares about business owners. Certainly not the EU.

Nextgrid 5y ago

Good luck making money as a shitty restaurant that doesn't care about food safety and hygiene. But who cares about restaurant owners. Certainly not the EU. Snark aside, if you can't make money without stalking users, maybe you shouldn't be in business.

whoknowswhat11 5y ago
Is GDPR coming to restaurants somehow? Oh god! This really is getting worse and worse. Is this for things like remembering your favorite orders etc? I could see some GDPR arguments there. What if a waitress just remembers your orders in their head - will they need a consent form? If they put it in their CRM / sales system? The issue folks have is many users if given a choice, will take the free service (instagram / tiktok / free gmail) in return for being tracked if they are given a choice. Feel free to start up the business that doesn't do this (protonmail etc). But MAJOR services are built the other direction (ie, billions of users worldwide).
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  > If they put it in their CRM / sales system? Yes, this would be covered by the GDPR and for good reason. If I join tonight's waiting list and provide a phone number in case they suddenly have a table become available I do not want that phone number to be reused for marketing spam down the line. > The issue folks have is many users if given a choice, will take the free service [...] in return for being tracked if they are given a choice. Apple's recent App Tracking Transparency stats suggest that when given a free choice, only 4% of users actually opt-in: https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/05/07/only-4-of-ios-users-in-us-are-opting-in-to-ad-tracking-report-says https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/05/07/only-4-of-ios-use... So clearly, when given the choice, most people would rather not be tracked. The problem the GDPR is trying to address is that people are not given the choice. > But MAJOR services are built the other direction There were plenty of businesses in the past that were built on basics that we now deem harmful. Back in the early 20th century, it was legal to sell radioactive water and market it as a miracle cure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor Society has since determined this is harmful and outlawed that. The same thing is currently happening with environmental pollution, and the GDPR is trying to do the same for noxious business models on the web.

tomjen3 5y ago

Write about tree, show an add for outdoor shoes. I mean I will still block it, but most people wouldn't.

deworms 5y ago

I don't want advertisers and people who rely on tracking to stay relevant to survive.

C19is20 5y ago

And, indeed - good luck to you.