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> Look, would you just get off your Be obsession for FIVE MINUTES and talk serious design with us? I get the rest of the references, but what is a Be obsession

> Look, would you just get off your Be obsession for FIVE MINUTES and talk serious design with us? I get the rest of the references, but what is a Be obsession? Also the last one is gold

mgbelisle 5y ago
Be OS is the reference I believe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS
loudmax 5y ago
That would be BeOS! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS Put out of business by everyone's favorite monopolist, but to some extent it lives on as Haiku: https://www.haiku-os.org/ https://www.haiku-os.org/
- diskzero 5y ago
  It also lives on in the work of BeOS engineers who infiltrated Apple: Tracker -> Finder, BeFS -> Matador, Spotlight, MediaKit -> Final Cut Pro, various media libraries and more. Possibly a lot of the C++ work we did at Apple after leaving Be has been purged, but some still lives!!!
  - chipotle_coyote 5y ago
    I'm pretty sure I saw some DNA from Gobe Productive, the Be answer to AppleWorks, lurking in iWorks. (Which is kind of recursive, since Gobe was created by most of the original AppleWorks team after ClarisWorks' demise, IIRC, who were then hired by Apple after Gobe's demise...) > BeFS -> Matador Was Matador a code name for APFS, or is this something else entirely?
    - diskzero 5y ago
      Matador became Spotlight, but lives on in processes that take over your CPU when you least want them to; mdworker, mds, etc.
    - codyb 5y ago
      Wow ClarisWorks. That’s a throw back. That was around the time of Quark Express I think? Pops was a graphic designer so got to grow up with that evolution and consolidation of the various programs that all eventually were either subsumed or put out of business by Adobe (and I guess MS).
      - chipotle_coyote 5y ago
        That sounds right. AppleWorks became ClarisWorks, then (I think!) became AppleWorks again for a while. Meanwhile, the folks at Claris left to create Gobe, and improved on the idea with Gobe Productive. Then, much later, they came back to Apple and worked on iWorks (Numbers, Keynote, Pages) -- which aren't the same as ClarisWorks or Productive, both of which were standalone monolithic apps (if I'm remembering right), but there's definitely a visible lineage. The iWorks apps are better than they're often given credit for, as was Productive. There are still competing programs existing in the margins -- iWorks is obviously still around, and there are some other word processing apps hanging in: Nisus Writer for the Mac and Nota Bene for Windows have both managed to persist since the 1980s, although they're both pretty different programs than they were then. And Adobe definitely has competitors in indie shareware these days, like the Affinity applications. (And of course there's open source competitors like LibreOffice, GIMP, etc.) (Oh, and QuarkXpress is still around!)
alex_anglin 5y ago
BeOS[1] was an OS at the time that by many accounts had good user experience. Didn't achieve commercial success though. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS

> Look, would you just get off your Be obsession for FIVE MINUTES and talk serious design with us? I get the rest of the references, but what is a Be obsession? Also the last one is gold

mgbelisle 5y ago

Be OS is the reference I believe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS

loudmax 5y ago

That would be BeOS! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS Put out of business by everyone's favorite monopolist, but to some extent it lives on as Haiku: https://www.haiku-os.org/ https://www.haiku-os.org/

diskzero 5y ago
It also lives on in the work of BeOS engineers who infiltrated Apple: Tracker -> Finder, BeFS -> Matador, Spotlight, MediaKit -> Final Cut Pro, various media libraries and more. Possibly a lot of the C++ work we did at Apple after leaving Be has been purged, but some still lives!!!
- chipotle_coyote 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure I saw some DNA from Gobe Productive, the Be answer to AppleWorks, lurking in iWorks. (Which is kind of recursive, since Gobe was created by most of the original AppleWorks team after ClarisWorks' demise, IIRC, who were then hired by Apple after Gobe's demise...) > BeFS -> Matador Was Matador a code name for APFS, or is this something else entirely?
  - diskzero 5y ago
    Matador became Spotlight, but lives on in processes that take over your CPU when you least want them to; mdworker, mds, etc.
  - codyb 5y ago
    Wow ClarisWorks. That’s a throw back. That was around the time of Quark Express I think? Pops was a graphic designer so got to grow up with that evolution and consolidation of the various programs that all eventually were either subsumed or put out of business by Adobe (and I guess MS).
    - chipotle_coyote 5y ago
      That sounds right. AppleWorks became ClarisWorks, then (I think!) became AppleWorks again for a while. Meanwhile, the folks at Claris left to create Gobe, and improved on the idea with Gobe Productive. Then, much later, they came back to Apple and worked on iWorks (Numbers, Keynote, Pages) -- which aren't the same as ClarisWorks or Productive, both of which were standalone monolithic apps (if I'm remembering right), but there's definitely a visible lineage. The iWorks apps are better than they're often given credit for, as was Productive. There are still competing programs existing in the margins -- iWorks is obviously still around, and there are some other word processing apps hanging in: Nisus Writer for the Mac and Nota Bene for Windows have both managed to persist since the 1980s, although they're both pretty different programs than they were then. And Adobe definitely has competitors in indie shareware these days, like the Affinity applications. (And of course there's open source competitors like LibreOffice, GIMP, etc.) (Oh, and QuarkXpress is still around!)

alex_anglin 5y ago

BeOS[1] was an OS at the time that by many accounts had good user experience. Didn't achieve commercial success though. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS