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I've always been fascinated by the fact that these claims are always completely unfalsifiable. "A lot of companies use this <non mainstream language> in intern

I've always been fascinated by the fact that these claims are always completely unfalsifiable. "A lot of companies use this <non mainstream language> in internal projects but since it's internal, we can't show you". It reminds me of "I have a girlfriend but she goes to another school".

mjh2539 5y ago
https://engineering.fb.com/2015/06/26/security/fighting-spam-with-haskell/ https://engineering.fb.com/2015/06/26/security/fighting-spam... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/phooqo/haskell_roles_in_warsaw_shanghai_or_london_with/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/phooqo/haskell_rol... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/oee437/job_ad_senior_haskell_dev_in_london_with_standard/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/oee437/job_ad_seni... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/nug8mw/haskell_job_in_sg_or_hk_with_standard_chartered/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/nug8mw/haskell_job... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/nn11sm/haskell_job_in_the_uk_with_standard_chartered/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/nn11sm/haskell_job... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/n642ve/haskell_developer_position_at_standard_chartered/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/n642ve/haskell_dev... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/8io3uk/job_work_on_ghc_at_facebook_london/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/8io3uk/job_work_on...
- hota_mazi 5y ago
  So... an article from six years ago, and then a few open job reqs.
- twic 5y ago
  I've spoken to people who have been through that department at Facebook, and they report the scale of use of Haskell is wildly exaggerated.
bojo 5y ago
I mean, what are those of us in this category supposed to do? For the last 5 years I have 7 developers that have been working on internal applications in Haskell for an enterprise company that I am not able to show you due to legal reasons. We have a small open source library or two out there, but they are not even remotely representative of how deep our development iceberg really is.
- d0mine 5y ago
  Show corresponding Haskell vacancies—somebody has to maintain the code if it exists.
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mbesto 5y ago
I've tech diligenced 200+ software companies and I've seen Haskell twice and Clojure once. The two that were using Haskell had to drop the project and rewrite because they couldn't find enough developers. I have zero problems with the technical capabilities of functional programming languages, but it's simply not a smart decision to use them in for profit businesses writing CRUD apps. It simply doesn't make economic sense. When you get to scale and need to write <insert specific modular service that does this one thing really well> then it starts to make more sense.
- Tanjreeve 5y ago
  So if you can find developers then it makes sense to better software in a more powerful language? That seems like not really a problem with either of those two languages.
  - mbesto 5y ago
    "more powerful language" Heh. My pickup truck has more torque than my Ferrari, but my ferrari goes to 60 much quicker. "Power" requires context, especially when it comes to programming languages.
    - Tanjreeve 5y ago
      There are languages that objectively make it easier to manage complicated things. They enforce strong guards against user errors and they are easy to refactor even in a large codebase it means you can do more things with a smaller team. Whether you can find people to work on hard problems easily seems completely orthogonal to the language used in the same way that its also very hard to find top Java/C++ etc developers capable of handling non trivial work but we don't throw our hands up and say "Welp we'll just have to write it in python then because this problem is too hard".
golergka 5y ago
Microsoft have their own functional language. Not exactly an internal protect.

mjh2539 5y ago

https://engineering.fb.com/2015/06/26/security/fighting-spam-with-haskell/ https://engineering.fb.com/2015/06/26/security/fighting-spam... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/phooqo/haskell_roles_in_warsaw_shanghai_or_london_with/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/phooqo/haskell_rol... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/oee437/job_ad_senior_haskell_dev_in_london_with_standard/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/oee437/job_ad_seni... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/nug8mw/haskell_job_in_sg_or_hk_with_standard_chartered/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/nug8mw/haskell_job... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/nn11sm/haskell_job_in_the_uk_with_standard_chartered/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/nn11sm/haskell_job... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/n642ve/haskell_developer_position_at_standard_chartered/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/n642ve/haskell_dev... https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/8io3uk/job_work_on_ghc_at_facebook_london/ https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/8io3uk/job_work_on...

hota_mazi 5y ago
So... an article from six years ago, and then a few open job reqs.
twic 5y ago
I've spoken to people who have been through that department at Facebook, and they report the scale of use of Haskell is wildly exaggerated.

bojo 5y ago

I mean, what are those of us in this category supposed to do? For the last 5 years I have 7 developers that have been working on internal applications in Haskell for an enterprise company that I am not able to show you due to legal reasons. We have a small open source library or two out there, but they are not even remotely representative of how deep our development iceberg really is.

d0mine 5y ago
Show corresponding Haskell vacancies—somebody has to maintain the code if it exists.

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mbesto 5y ago

I've tech diligenced 200+ software companies and I've seen Haskell twice and Clojure once. The two that were using Haskell had to drop the project and rewrite because they couldn't find enough developers. I have zero problems with the technical capabilities of functional programming languages, but it's simply not a smart decision to use them in for profit businesses writing CRUD apps. It simply doesn't make economic sense. When you get to scale and need to write <insert specific modular service that does this one thing really well> then it starts to make more sense.

Tanjreeve 5y ago
So if you can find developers then it makes sense to better software in a more powerful language? That seems like not really a problem with either of those two languages.
- mbesto 5y ago
  "more powerful language" Heh. My pickup truck has more torque than my Ferrari, but my ferrari goes to 60 much quicker. "Power" requires context, especially when it comes to programming languages.
  - Tanjreeve 5y ago
    There are languages that objectively make it easier to manage complicated things. They enforce strong guards against user errors and they are easy to refactor even in a large codebase it means you can do more things with a smaller team. Whether you can find people to work on hard problems easily seems completely orthogonal to the language used in the same way that its also very hard to find top Java/C++ etc developers capable of handling non trivial work but we don't throw our hands up and say "Welp we'll just have to write it in python then because this problem is too hard".

golergka 5y ago

Microsoft have their own functional language. Not exactly an internal protect.