3 ms·

It was a province historically, but it no longer is because that's what the people of Taiwan want. I don't think they want any part of China's totalitarianism.

It was a province historically, but it no longer is because that's what the people of Taiwan want. I don't think they want any part of China's totalitarianism. Texas was once its own country, but that doesn't make it a country now.

mytailorisrich 5y ago
It's obvious that they don't want to be part of the PRC, especially under the current regime, but that is not equivalent to being against eventual reunification. It is still the Republic of China, that still has its National Day on 10th October to celebrate the fall of the Qing, and Sun Yat Sen's portrait is still in the Legislative Yuan. As such, formally Taiwan is the only province still controlled by the Republic of China. A number of Taiwanese people are opposed to any reunification and want Taiwan to be "Taiwan", but it's very biased to claim that this is what 'the people of Taiwan want' as if China was a foreign country, and is frankly a narrative pushed to weaken China, the PRC mainly but really China no matter the government (divide and conquer strategy).
- philliphaydon 5y ago
  > but it's very biased to claim that this is what 'the people of Taiwan want' and is frankly a narrative pushed to weaken China The vast majority of people here in Taiwan don’t want to be part of china. Especially after Hong Kong and covid.
  - mytailorisrich 5y ago
    As already written they are already part of China. They don't want to be part of the PRC, as has been the case since 1949. That's why there is internally (in Taiwan) a struggle of opinions between this and "independence". Trying to ignore that 'China' is not the same as 'PRC' is disingenuous at some point... Like claiming that Taiwan was never a province of China...
    - philliphaydon 5y ago
      Doesn’t matter which way you say it. Taiwan is not part of China.
      - s1artibartfast 5y ago
        Taiwan's name is literally the Republic of China. To say they don't identify as China is incredibly misleading. Taiwan absolutely see themselves as heirs of Chinese culture and lineage.They are split on if they want to be the sole heir or share it with the PRC. They don't want to be part of the PRC, but they are and want to be Chinese.
        mytailorisrich 5y ago
        Indeed. Interestingly on this topic, when the Nationalists withdrew from the mainland they took the contents of the Forbidden City with them (perhaps for the better considering what happened during the Cultural Revolution). So to this day most of the imperial furniture and art from the palace is on display not in Beijing but at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
- petre 5y ago
  Of course. The two Koreas also want unification, the problem is that there's so much disagreement regarding the leadership of this would be unified Korea, that they're in a perpetual state of war with only a cease fire agreement and a DMZ along the 38th parallel. The people who want Taiwan to be independent are the pragmatic lot who have given up on unification, on mainland China being part of the ROC, at least for the foreseeable future. I doubt any significant part of them want Taiwan to be part of the PRC.
s1artibartfast 5y ago
The problem is the PRC /= ROC =/ China. Delineating the current nation state of the PRC from historical nation states and ethnicity is central to the discussion. This problem was codified by United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758, which recognized the PRC as the only legitimate representation of a territory and people that the PRC government never controlled. It is as if the the UN recognized South Sudan as the sole representative of all of all Sudan when it was admitted in 2011, or South Korea as the sole representative of all Korea in 1991.

mytailorisrich 5y ago

It's obvious that they don't want to be part of the PRC, especially under the current regime, but that is not equivalent to being against eventual reunification. It is still the Republic of China, that still has its National Day on 10th October to celebrate the fall of the Qing, and Sun Yat Sen's portrait is still in the Legislative Yuan. As such, formally Taiwan is the only province still controlled by the Republic of China. A number of Taiwanese people are opposed to any reunification and want Taiwan to be "Taiwan", but it's very biased to claim that this is what 'the people of Taiwan want' as if China was a foreign country, and is frankly a narrative pushed to weaken China, the PRC mainly but really China no matter the government (divide and conquer strategy).

philliphaydon 5y ago
> but it's very biased to claim that this is what 'the people of Taiwan want' and is frankly a narrative pushed to weaken China The vast majority of people here in Taiwan don’t want to be part of china. Especially after Hong Kong and covid.
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  As already written they are already part of China. They don't want to be part of the PRC, as has been the case since 1949. That's why there is internally (in Taiwan) a struggle of opinions between this and "independence". Trying to ignore that 'China' is not the same as 'PRC' is disingenuous at some point... Like claiming that Taiwan was never a province of China...
  - philliphaydon 5y ago
    Doesn’t matter which way you say it. Taiwan is not part of China.
    - s1artibartfast 5y ago
      Taiwan's name is literally the Republic of China. To say they don't identify as China is incredibly misleading. Taiwan absolutely see themselves as heirs of Chinese culture and lineage.They are split on if they want to be the sole heir or share it with the PRC. They don't want to be part of the PRC, but they are and want to be Chinese.
      - mytailorisrich 5y ago
        Indeed. Interestingly on this topic, when the Nationalists withdrew from the mainland they took the contents of the Forbidden City with them (perhaps for the better considering what happened during the Cultural Revolution). So to this day most of the imperial furniture and art from the palace is on display not in Beijing but at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
petre 5y ago
Of course. The two Koreas also want unification, the problem is that there's so much disagreement regarding the leadership of this would be unified Korea, that they're in a perpetual state of war with only a cease fire agreement and a DMZ along the 38th parallel. The people who want Taiwan to be independent are the pragmatic lot who have given up on unification, on mainland China being part of the ROC, at least for the foreseeable future. I doubt any significant part of them want Taiwan to be part of the PRC.

s1artibartfast 5y ago

The problem is the PRC /= ROC =/ China. Delineating the current nation state of the PRC from historical nation states and ethnicity is central to the discussion. This problem was codified by United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758, which recognized the PRC as the only legitimate representation of a territory and people that the PRC government never controlled. It is as if the the UN recognized South Sudan as the sole representative of all of all Sudan when it was admitted in 2011, or South Korea as the sole representative of all Korea in 1991.