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It's fairly clear what the exit criteria is. Hospital capacity. When hospitals are filling up COVID measures are necessary. COVID is endemic now and will ebb an

It's fairly clear what the exit criteria is. Hospital capacity. When hospitals are filling up COVID measures are necessary. COVID is endemic now and will ebb and flow over the next decade. As such I would expect COVID measures to come and go based on local health department and hospital capacity needs.

AndrewBissell 5y ago
It was a stroke of genius for the powers that be to convince people that they have a personal responsibility to restore/protect a health infrastructure that has been looted out, and structured if not designed to act in a predatory manner. They created new emergency powers and a new moral imperative to avoid contagious respiratory disease out of whole cloth. "Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires!"
- AshamedCaptain 5y ago
  Only you can prevent the dismantling of the health infrastructure!
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School-Cotton 5y ago
> When hospitals are filling up COVID measures are necessary. They are only "necessary" if you are optimizing the metric "make sure hospitals run smoothly" over any other concerns. I hate this framing that Covid restrictions are ever forced on us, rather than being a policy choice with pros and cons.
- colordrops 5y ago
  I'd imagine that scaling up ICU capacity has to be more efficient than constantly enacting mandates on the entire population for a decade.
  - tehjoker 5y ago
    Pandemics are an exponential process, so scaling capacity linearly buys you only a few days or weeks of time unless the exponential is controlled. It's not useless, but it's also decidedly not a lone solution. That also doesn't account for the damage people contracting the virus accumulate that doesn't register on that metric.
    - colordrops 5y ago
      There isn't any evidence that covid would continue to grow exponentially at this point if measures are removed. There are entire states where there are no measures, and it hasn't gone exponential there, even with low vaccination rates. The places with the strictest measures right now also have the highest vaccination rates.
      - tehjoker 5y ago
        I'm willing to entertain this idea, but random chance has played a big role so far. Personally, I think we should be aiming for elimination in the human population given the damaging effects of long covid in mild cases.

AndrewBissell 5y ago

It was a stroke of genius for the powers that be to convince people that they have a personal responsibility to restore/protect a health infrastructure that has been looted out, and structured if not designed to act in a predatory manner. They created new emergency powers and a new moral imperative to avoid contagious respiratory disease out of whole cloth. "Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires!"

AshamedCaptain 5y ago
Only you can prevent the dismantling of the health infrastructure!
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School-Cotton 5y ago

> When hospitals are filling up COVID measures are necessary. They are only "necessary" if you are optimizing the metric "make sure hospitals run smoothly" over any other concerns. I hate this framing that Covid restrictions are ever forced on us, rather than being a policy choice with pros and cons.

colordrops 5y ago
I'd imagine that scaling up ICU capacity has to be more efficient than constantly enacting mandates on the entire population for a decade.
- tehjoker 5y ago
  Pandemics are an exponential process, so scaling capacity linearly buys you only a few days or weeks of time unless the exponential is controlled. It's not useless, but it's also decidedly not a lone solution. That also doesn't account for the damage people contracting the virus accumulate that doesn't register on that metric.
  - colordrops 5y ago
    There isn't any evidence that covid would continue to grow exponentially at this point if measures are removed. There are entire states where there are no measures, and it hasn't gone exponential there, even with low vaccination rates. The places with the strictest measures right now also have the highest vaccination rates.
    - tehjoker 5y ago
      I'm willing to entertain this idea, but random chance has played a big role so far. Personally, I think we should be aiming for elimination in the human population given the damaging effects of long covid in mild cases.