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> First off the M1 Air has no fans. Your M1 Air doesn't have an M1 Pro or Max, either, which I clearly specified. Why are you talking about M1 power draw in yo

> First off the M1 Air has no fans. Your M1 Air doesn't have an M1 Pro or Max, either, which I clearly specified. Why are you talking about M1 power draw in your response when that's not the SoC in question? > Also note: in your other comments you keep mixing TDP and wall power draw, Power in == heat out. CPUs don't do mechanical work, all power is converted to heat. If the 'TDP' is less than peak power draw (and is actually respected in some form), it simply means the SoC is intended to power throttle after a duration. But that's so far not the case for any of the M1's, so claimed TDP is fully irrelevant as it's seemingly not enforced in any way. Which isn't unique to Apple fwiw, AMD's claimed TDPs are equally irrelevant.

BoorishBears 5y ago
Because the thread was about why even an M1 not pro is beating a 16"? You're free to bring in your third option which clobbers it even further, but an $800 fanless machine also clobbers it so it's a perfectly valid comparison when trying to counter weird claims that Apple only just now started working on proper cooling... tl;dr: How can you claim the old 16" is only being beat because Apple just now started to care about cooling when a fanless machine also beats it? - Also TDP is an advertising figure but when you're talking about orders of magnitude it's a perfectly fine way to talk about parts as long as you stay consistent in TDP vs wall draw Wall draw to wall draw, my M1 Air draws under 30W and beats a 16" drawing over 100W TDP to TDP my M1 is 10W to a 16" closer to 100W. In both cases it should be obvious why cooling is less of an issue...
- kllrnohj 5y ago
  > Also TDP is an advertising figure but when you're talking about orders of magnitude it's a perfectly fine way to talk about parts as long as you stay consistent in TDP vs wall draw This is completely incorrect. You cannot compare TDPs in any meaningful way except kinda within a single vendor's single generation. There's no standard definition for TDP, so it cannot be generally compared across brands. And for most brands TDP doesn't have any useful meaning, further eliminating any value to be had from it. > Wall draw to wall draw, my M1 Air draws under 30W and beats a 16" drawing over 100W Are you sure? What workload(s)? How did you measure power draw? And 16" isn't a CPU/SoC, so what are you even comparing against? Your M1 Air sure as shit isn't beating the current 100w 16" after all. So I'm guessing you're comparing against a previous MBP 16" of some unknown variety, which one specifically in which configuration? > TDP to TDP my M1 is 10W to a 16" closer to 100W. Apple never shipped an Intel CPU with a 100w TDP in any MBP of any size. So not only is this comparison meaningless, you're not even using the right numbers. The i9-9980HK that I'm guessing you're referring to is a 45w TDP. But see above about you can't compare TDPs, they have no meaning.

BoorishBears 5y ago

Because the thread was about why even an M1 not pro is beating a 16"? You're free to bring in your third option which clobbers it even further, but an $800 fanless machine also clobbers it so it's a perfectly valid comparison when trying to counter weird claims that Apple only just now started working on proper cooling... tl;dr: How can you claim the old 16" is only being beat because Apple just now started to care about cooling when a fanless machine also beats it? - Also TDP is an advertising figure but when you're talking about orders of magnitude it's a perfectly fine way to talk about parts as long as you stay consistent in TDP vs wall draw Wall draw to wall draw, my M1 Air draws under 30W and beats a 16" drawing over 100W TDP to TDP my M1 is 10W to a 16" closer to 100W. In both cases it should be obvious why cooling is less of an issue...

kllrnohj 5y ago
> Also TDP is an advertising figure but when you're talking about orders of magnitude it's a perfectly fine way to talk about parts as long as you stay consistent in TDP vs wall draw This is completely incorrect. You cannot compare TDPs in any meaningful way except kinda within a single vendor's single generation. There's no standard definition for TDP, so it cannot be generally compared across brands. And for most brands TDP doesn't have any useful meaning, further eliminating any value to be had from it. > Wall draw to wall draw, my M1 Air draws under 30W and beats a 16" drawing over 100W Are you sure? What workload(s)? How did you measure power draw? And 16" isn't a CPU/SoC, so what are you even comparing against? Your M1 Air sure as shit isn't beating the current 100w 16" after all. So I'm guessing you're comparing against a previous MBP 16" of some unknown variety, which one specifically in which configuration? > TDP to TDP my M1 is 10W to a 16" closer to 100W. Apple never shipped an Intel CPU with a 100w TDP in any MBP of any size. So not only is this comparison meaningless, you're not even using the right numbers. The i9-9980HK that I'm guessing you're referring to is a 45w TDP. But see above about you can't compare TDPs, they have no meaning.