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> COVID-19 rates in children ages 5 to 11 are so low that there were ZERO cases of severe COVID-19 and ZERO cases of death from COVID in either the treatment (n

> COVID-19 rates in children ages 5 to 11 are so low that there were ZERO cases of severe COVID-19 and ZERO cases of death from COVID in either the treatment (n= 1,518) or control group (n= 750). The author seemingly uses minimizing deaths as the only measure of benefit; I don’t see a discussion of minimizing or avoiding what have been called long-COVID effects. Honestly I have no idea if children suffer from long-COVID: either how badly or what percentage of cases but a cursory search suggests that they do. Certainly I would expect that it’s easier to use a binary metric like death in a risk-benefit analysis but I was hoping a professional in the field would have some way to account for these other risks.

moralestapia 5y ago
We also don't know, in general, much about "long-COVID" and the effect of vaccination on that.
ekianjo 5y ago
> avoiding what have been called long-COVID effects. Long covid is a fabrication. Every disease carries effects that can last for several months after recovery. That's not "long" if it's not chronic.
- derstander 5y ago
  I think we’re splitting hairs here about terminology. You say that long covid is a fabrication but people can have effects lasting months after recovery. And maybe I’m not using long-COVID in a standard way. But what I’m fundamentally saying is that if one of the potential benefits is me NOT feeling like garbage for a month or more then I think that shoulder enter into the risk-benefit calculus.
  - incrudible 5y ago
    I don't disagree, but what are the odds? There's a decent chance the vaccine itself will make you feel like garbage, perhaps not for a month. Then there's a chance you will get some other infection after vaccination, because your immune system is now busy dealing with a fake COVID infection. Then, there's decent chance you will get infected with COVID after a few months anyway, even symptomatically. What I'm missing is a holistic analysis of the health outcomes. See also my other comment.
incrudible 5y ago
> Honestly I have no idea if children suffer from long-COVID: either how badly or what percentage of cases but a cursory search suggests that they do. Here's a study on it: https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-798316/v1/82480913-3b6d-47fc-9d50-096244918954.pdf?c=1632402660 https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-798316/v1/8248091... Hazard ratios are in the ballpark of 2 or less, with the exception of "loss of smell". The vaccines only reduce that ratio by about 50%, going by this data: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00460-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...

moralestapia 5y ago

We also don't know, in general, much about "long-COVID" and the effect of vaccination on that.

ekianjo 5y ago

> avoiding what have been called long-COVID effects. Long covid is a fabrication. Every disease carries effects that can last for several months after recovery. That's not "long" if it's not chronic.

derstander 5y ago
I think we’re splitting hairs here about terminology. You say that long covid is a fabrication but people can have effects lasting months after recovery. And maybe I’m not using long-COVID in a standard way. But what I’m fundamentally saying is that if one of the potential benefits is me NOT feeling like garbage for a month or more then I think that shoulder enter into the risk-benefit calculus.
- incrudible 5y ago
  I don't disagree, but what are the odds? There's a decent chance the vaccine itself will make you feel like garbage, perhaps not for a month. Then there's a chance you will get some other infection after vaccination, because your immune system is now busy dealing with a fake COVID infection. Then, there's decent chance you will get infected with COVID after a few months anyway, even symptomatically. What I'm missing is a holistic analysis of the health outcomes. See also my other comment.

incrudible 5y ago

> Honestly I have no idea if children suffer from long-COVID: either how badly or what percentage of cases but a cursory search suggests that they do. Here's a study on it: https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-798316/v1/82480913-3b6d-47fc-9d50-096244918954.pdf?c=1632402660 https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-798316/v1/8248091... Hazard ratios are in the ballpark of 2 or less, with the exception of "loss of smell". The vaccines only reduce that ratio by about 50%, going by this data: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00460-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...