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Soo, kinda like for a vaccine? (And to clarify what I am saying, even though the vaccine does prevent death, there is still considerable push back. Not sure wh

Soo, kinda like for a vaccine? (And to clarify what I am saying, even though the vaccine does prevent death, there is still considerable push back. Not sure why it will be different for this drug)

pell 5y ago
From what I understand it's taken once an infection is already established. Maybe it's easier to convince the "skeptics" under those circumstances to take potentially life-saving medicine.
- roywiggins 5y ago
  Sure, those same skeptics, once they're sick, happily line up for an hourlong infusion of experimental monoclonal antibodies, which have similarly unknown "long-term side effects" or whatever they're worried about. It turns out that long-term side effects (which are a possibility with every livesaving medical intervention- what are the long-term side effects of CPR?) are a lot less scary compared to short-term death.
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- foolfoolz 5y ago
  this drug (and all covid medicine) at this point is no longer about people hesitant to take the vaccine. this is about going back to a pre covid life. the vaccine does not protect you fully from covid 19. states in the u. s. and some eu countries have very high vaccination rates and still saw a wave of covid go through them, examples: vt, nh, de, nl. in all these places roughly 70% vaccination rate and many vaccinated people testing positive, some vaccinated dying. when this happens governments get scared. they start doing mask and vaccine mandates. things shut down. what if you could still have these waves but nearly eliminate the chance of anyone dying? then we could start treating this like an endemic cold or flu. i think these waves in high vaccine areas show convincing “vaccine skeptics” is not the gate to get there. we could be 100% vaccinated in areas and still see covid waves. the question is can we make it less risky to the point where we can go back to where we were
mostertoaster 5y ago
Oh I think it will be gladly accepted by unvaccinated folk. The reason being is most unvaccinated people don’t believe it isn’t effective, they don’t like being forced to protect themselves by a bunch of moral busybodies. I just accepted as soon as we saw that covid was spreading so quickly, welp I’m gonna get that. I figured I wouldn’t be that affected by it and wasn’t. Our parents said, well if I get it I get it, and if I die, I die, now let me see my grandkids. When the vaccine came out they were like sweet I’ll get it, can we stop these stupid mask wearing and social distancing crap. No, we can’t. So now us younger folk who aren’t afraid of covid aren’t getting vaccinated because we’re being forced to, and they’re going to keep up all the stupid rules like wearing masks everywhere anyways. An anti viral drug that is this effective gives even less reason to have any mandates around vaccines, so unvaccinated people will cheer this.
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- TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
  Nice story. Meanwhile at least 5 million are dead - 750,000 in the US alone. How does your story help their families?
  - mostertoaster 5y ago
    I don’t think it helps their families. You know what does though, vaccines and this new anti-viral. So can I live my life and worry about own family and not someone’s I don’t know?
    - imajoredinecon 5y ago
      > So can I live my life and worry about own family and not someone’s I don’t know? Unfortunately, no. We live in a society where sometimes we have to take collective action to prevent collective harm. Taking personally inconvenient measures to help fight an epidemic is a prime example.
tomatocracy 5y ago
Away from the debate about who will or won't take the vaccines and why, isn't this is a huge positive for the small (but not tiny) number of people for whom vaccines don't provoke immune response (severely immunocompromised, etc)? That group are also more vulnerable to bad outcomes from Covid.
- greedo 5y ago
  That's one of my hopes. I don't know if this would have an adverse reaction for immunocompromised patients, but if not that would be fantastic.
thehappypm 5y ago
It’s not really like a vaccine. A vaccine is almost more abstract. You’re not sick, and to continue not being sick, take these shots. With this treatment, you ARE sick. To become well, take these pills.
HWR_14 5y ago
There are a lot of hospital bed requests for the vaccine(1) from people who thought COVID wasn't a big deal. I'm fairly sure they'll take this drug once they experience the alternative. 1) Obviously, it's too late then. So it's only the most ignorant of people who changed their minds we have anecdotes of.

Soo, kinda like for a vaccine? (And to clarify what I am saying, even though the vaccine does prevent death, there is still considerable push back. Not sure why it will be different for this drug)

pell 5y ago

From what I understand it's taken once an infection is already established. Maybe it's easier to convince the "skeptics" under those circumstances to take potentially life-saving medicine.

roywiggins 5y ago
Sure, those same skeptics, once they're sick, happily line up for an hourlong infusion of experimental monoclonal antibodies, which have similarly unknown "long-term side effects" or whatever they're worried about. It turns out that long-term side effects (which are a possibility with every livesaving medical intervention- what are the long-term side effects of CPR?) are a lot less scary compared to short-term death.
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foolfoolz 5y ago
this drug (and all covid medicine) at this point is no longer about people hesitant to take the vaccine. this is about going back to a pre covid life. the vaccine does not protect you fully from covid 19. states in the u. s. and some eu countries have very high vaccination rates and still saw a wave of covid go through them, examples: vt, nh, de, nl. in all these places roughly 70% vaccination rate and many vaccinated people testing positive, some vaccinated dying. when this happens governments get scared. they start doing mask and vaccine mandates. things shut down. what if you could still have these waves but nearly eliminate the chance of anyone dying? then we could start treating this like an endemic cold or flu. i think these waves in high vaccine areas show convincing “vaccine skeptics” is not the gate to get there. we could be 100% vaccinated in areas and still see covid waves. the question is can we make it less risky to the point where we can go back to where we were

mostertoaster 5y ago

Oh I think it will be gladly accepted by unvaccinated folk. The reason being is most unvaccinated people don’t believe it isn’t effective, they don’t like being forced to protect themselves by a bunch of moral busybodies. I just accepted as soon as we saw that covid was spreading so quickly, welp I’m gonna get that. I figured I wouldn’t be that affected by it and wasn’t. Our parents said, well if I get it I get it, and if I die, I die, now let me see my grandkids. When the vaccine came out they were like sweet I’ll get it, can we stop these stupid mask wearing and social distancing crap. No, we can’t. So now us younger folk who aren’t afraid of covid aren’t getting vaccinated because we’re being forced to, and they’re going to keep up all the stupid rules like wearing masks everywhere anyways. An anti viral drug that is this effective gives even less reason to have any mandates around vaccines, so unvaccinated people will cheer this.

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TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
Nice story. Meanwhile at least 5 million are dead - 750,000 in the US alone. How does your story help their families?
- mostertoaster 5y ago
  I don’t think it helps their families. You know what does though, vaccines and this new anti-viral. So can I live my life and worry about own family and not someone’s I don’t know?
  - imajoredinecon 5y ago
    > So can I live my life and worry about own family and not someone’s I don’t know? Unfortunately, no. We live in a society where sometimes we have to take collective action to prevent collective harm. Taking personally inconvenient measures to help fight an epidemic is a prime example.

tomatocracy 5y ago

Away from the debate about who will or won't take the vaccines and why, isn't this is a huge positive for the small (but not tiny) number of people for whom vaccines don't provoke immune response (severely immunocompromised, etc)? That group are also more vulnerable to bad outcomes from Covid.

greedo 5y ago
That's one of my hopes. I don't know if this would have an adverse reaction for immunocompromised patients, but if not that would be fantastic.

thehappypm 5y ago

It’s not really like a vaccine. A vaccine is almost more abstract. You’re not sick, and to continue not being sick, take these shots. With this treatment, you ARE sick. To become well, take these pills.

HWR_14 5y ago

There are a lot of hospital bed requests for the vaccine(1) from people who thought COVID wasn't a big deal. I'm fairly sure they'll take this drug once they experience the alternative. 1) Obviously, it's too late then. So it's only the most ignorant of people who changed their minds we have anecdotes of.