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The nationalists in Taiwan at one time claimed sovereignty over all of China, I believe. The USA would not tolerate a state wishing wishing to go independent an

The nationalists in Taiwan at one time claimed sovereignty over all of China, I believe. The USA would not tolerate a state wishing wishing to go independent and definitely would not allow outside interference promoting that. This is a China Taiwan issue. USA, or anyone else, should not be involving themselves.

RattleyCooper 5y ago
>The USA would not tolerate a state wishing wishing to go independent and definitely would not allow outside interference promoting that. Actually we do tolerate people talking about this stuff because we have the right to speak freely in the USA. USA is allies with Taiwan. If this is a China/Taiwan issue then it's a China/USA issue by definition. If China keeps being aggressive then the USA, and their allies, will be forced to respond to protect these innocent victims.
bally0241 5y ago
thanks wumao
- dang 5y ago
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schleck8 5y ago
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ncallaway 5y ago
Taiwan isn’t a state wishing to be independent. It is a separate, already independent nation. A more accurate analogy would be like saying the US claiming sovereignty over Canada would be a US / Canada issue and the rest of the world should not be involved. That’s not how it works. I’m all for the people of Taiwan to determine their status for themselves, but I don’t think the people of China should get a vote on the matter.
- stormdennis 5y ago
  That's a less accurate analogy in my view, because Canada was never a part of the United States while Taiwan was a part of China. It's more like the losing side in a war within the USA, militarily taking over florida and declaring itself the government of the USA only to later drop that pretension and declare Florida an independent country instead. Would you be happy for China to meddle and arm the Floridians in that situation?
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    Apples and Oranges. Florida, after the formation of the Union, was never as "free" or independent as Taiwan. China had their chance in the 30s/40s to stop formation of Taiwan, they didn't, and they lost claim to it. They need to just suck it up, but the macho leaders of the CCP will never accept that, so they keep poking the matter with a stick. Eventually there will be an internal calamity and the CCP will use war with Taiwan to unite the country. That's just the way politics works, if you have a common enemy it is a great uniter.
  - ncallaway 5y ago
    > because Canada was never a part of the United States while Taiwan was a part of China Canada and the United States both claim to be nations that broke away from English rule. If we claim that common heritage means that Canada is rightfully part of the United States territory (in that we are the successor to English rule in the colonies) would other nations have the right to complain about that? Sure, they claim to be a separate nation, with a separate history of breaking away from English rule, but… As long as we claim that it was always a part of the English colonies, then no other countries can complain if we claim their territory as our own? That’s a neat trick.
philliphaydon 5y ago
> The nationalists in Taiwan at one time claimed sovereignty over all of China Sure, but it's 2021 and the majority of Taiwan don't want to be part of china. Especially after Hong Kong and COVID.
- stormdennis 5y ago
  Yes that is fair enough but that is an issue to be sorted between the people of Taiwan and China. It's no concern of anyone else. It is a divided China and one side is not content to leave it divided juat as the USA was not content to allow the confederacy to leave the USA.
ShrigmaMale 5y ago
+1000 points social credit. If a state actually wanted to go independent and most of its population did would it actually be right to stop it. Stopping it violates right to self-determination, right?

RattleyCooper 5y ago

>The USA would not tolerate a state wishing wishing to go independent and definitely would not allow outside interference promoting that. Actually we do tolerate people talking about this stuff because we have the right to speak freely in the USA. USA is allies with Taiwan. If this is a China/Taiwan issue then it's a China/USA issue by definition. If China keeps being aggressive then the USA, and their allies, will be forced to respond to protect these innocent victims.

bally0241 5y ago

thanks wumao

dang 5y ago
Breaking the site guidelines like this (you broke several of them badly!) will get you banned on HN. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here? We'd appreciate it.

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schleck8 5y ago

5 points have been added to your childrens' social score.

ncallaway 5y ago

Taiwan isn’t a state wishing to be independent. It is a separate, already independent nation. A more accurate analogy would be like saying the US claiming sovereignty over Canada would be a US / Canada issue and the rest of the world should not be involved. That’s not how it works. I’m all for the people of Taiwan to determine their status for themselves, but I don’t think the people of China should get a vote on the matter.

stormdennis 5y ago
That's a less accurate analogy in my view, because Canada was never a part of the United States while Taiwan was a part of China. It's more like the losing side in a war within the USA, militarily taking over florida and declaring itself the government of the USA only to later drop that pretension and declare Florida an independent country instead. Would you be happy for China to meddle and arm the Floridians in that situation?
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  Apples and Oranges. Florida, after the formation of the Union, was never as "free" or independent as Taiwan. China had their chance in the 30s/40s to stop formation of Taiwan, they didn't, and they lost claim to it. They need to just suck it up, but the macho leaders of the CCP will never accept that, so they keep poking the matter with a stick. Eventually there will be an internal calamity and the CCP will use war with Taiwan to unite the country. That's just the way politics works, if you have a common enemy it is a great uniter.
- ncallaway 5y ago
  > because Canada was never a part of the United States while Taiwan was a part of China Canada and the United States both claim to be nations that broke away from English rule. If we claim that common heritage means that Canada is rightfully part of the United States territory (in that we are the successor to English rule in the colonies) would other nations have the right to complain about that? Sure, they claim to be a separate nation, with a separate history of breaking away from English rule, but… As long as we claim that it was always a part of the English colonies, then no other countries can complain if we claim their territory as our own? That’s a neat trick.

philliphaydon 5y ago

> The nationalists in Taiwan at one time claimed sovereignty over all of China Sure, but it's 2021 and the majority of Taiwan don't want to be part of china. Especially after Hong Kong and COVID.

stormdennis 5y ago
Yes that is fair enough but that is an issue to be sorted between the people of Taiwan and China. It's no concern of anyone else. It is a divided China and one side is not content to leave it divided juat as the USA was not content to allow the confederacy to leave the USA.

ShrigmaMale 5y ago

+1000 points social credit. If a state actually wanted to go independent and most of its population did would it actually be right to stop it. Stopping it violates right to self-determination, right?