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Please note the person said the navy, not the army. The branches of military function more like independently cooperating organizations than one large organizat

Please note the person said the navy, not the army. The branches of military function more like independently cooperating organizations than one large organization is my understanding. When discussing military errors and processes, specifics like which branch matter quite a bit.

pvaldes 5y ago
Fair point.
bilbo0s 5y ago
The idea would still apply. The 7th is staggering around the Pacific like a drunken Irishman right now. These incidents are obviously not intentional and many are textbook cases of incompetence.
- SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
  I fully agree that there can very well be incompetency in the navy. I’m only pointing out that talking about incompetence in the army to a naval veteran is asking an orange to answer for an apple’s flaws due to the fact the two organizations have independent structures, cultures, and systems of how responsibility is managed. An accurate criticism would be pointing out existing incompetency in the navy or in naval sub-divisions.
- crikeym8 5y ago
  "drunken Irishman"? Why's saying this okay?
KineticLensman 5y ago
> The branches of military function more like independently cooperating organizations Yes. My experience is with the British Army. It's a collection of multiple tribes with distinct and powerful local loyalties and rivalries. There may be shared trust, especially when the different parts have trained together or been on ops with each other. [Edit]. Before I started working with them, I thought that 'uniform' meant 'something that is the same everywhere'. Boy was I wrong. There is a phenomenal variation in the regalia, badges, belt buckles, head dress, etc, etc. And the arcane career development paths, rank structures, e.g. depending on whether your ancestors were foot, cavalry, guns, etc. [Edit] And these historical variations and beliefs translate into substantial procedural variations. E.g. is an armoured vehicle driver a glorified bus driver or a hardened warfighter? Infantry and armoured units could have very different perceptions of this role, and this would translate into variations in training, career development, prestige, etc.
- zdkl 5y ago
  Even their own dialects, as if the acronyms weren't enough!

pvaldes 5y ago

Fair point.

bilbo0s 5y ago

The idea would still apply. The 7th is staggering around the Pacific like a drunken Irishman right now. These incidents are obviously not intentional and many are textbook cases of incompetence.

SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
I fully agree that there can very well be incompetency in the navy. I’m only pointing out that talking about incompetence in the army to a naval veteran is asking an orange to answer for an apple’s flaws due to the fact the two organizations have independent structures, cultures, and systems of how responsibility is managed. An accurate criticism would be pointing out existing incompetency in the navy or in naval sub-divisions.
crikeym8 5y ago
"drunken Irishman"? Why's saying this okay?

KineticLensman 5y ago

> The branches of military function more like independently cooperating organizations Yes. My experience is with the British Army. It's a collection of multiple tribes with distinct and powerful local loyalties and rivalries. There may be shared trust, especially when the different parts have trained together or been on ops with each other. [Edit]. Before I started working with them, I thought that 'uniform' meant 'something that is the same everywhere'. Boy was I wrong. There is a phenomenal variation in the regalia, badges, belt buckles, head dress, etc, etc. And the arcane career development paths, rank structures, e.g. depending on whether your ancestors were foot, cavalry, guns, etc. [Edit] And these historical variations and beliefs translate into substantial procedural variations. E.g. is an armoured vehicle driver a glorified bus driver or a hardened warfighter? Infantry and armoured units could have very different perceptions of this role, and this would translate into variations in training, career development, prestige, etc.

zdkl 5y ago
Even their own dialects, as if the acronyms weren't enough!