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Hey, neither of us is going to change the other's view here, so it is not useful to go back and forth like this. If you wanted an answer to that question you co

Hey, neither of us is going to change the other's view here, so it is not useful to go back and forth like this. If you wanted an answer to that question you could look it up, like I have looked up the arguments and counter arguments to the apartheid question. What is interesting is that the tide is turning and your view is becoming less common, especially among the youth in developed nations, particularly Ireland. This is good news, for the well-being of Israelis and Palestinians alike.

voz_ 5y ago
I am sad you are not open to being swayed, what is the value of coming to a discussion with no intent to change your own mind? How can you visit to offer opinions, with the intent to change others minds, but not be open to having your own changed? Perhaps this topic is near and dear to you, so it is difficult. I do recommend re-evaluating how you think about common discussion spaces like these, and the nature of disagreements in general. Perhaps, as a start, let's find some common ground: I firmly believe that both Israelis and Palestinians deserve peace, prosperity, and full rights.
- mysecretaccount 5y ago
  To be totally honest, I do not believe from your comments in other threads on this article that you are arguing from a place of good faith. I am more than happy to discuss Israeli apartheid with someone whom I disagree but you seem to just want to waste our time with tedium and nationalist rhetoric.
qaq 5y ago
There is historic tie between USSR, IRA, and Palestine not sure what is the surprise. I highly doubt Ireland wields enough influence on the world stage to influence events one way or the other.
- mysecretaccount 5y ago
  Perhaps not on its own, but as a sign of things to come. Ireland was proudly at the forefront of boycotting the South African apartheid, and is proudly at the forefront of boycotting the Israeli apartheid.
  - qaq 5y ago
    I live in Ireland and honestly the topic doesn't come up much if at all.
    - colinb 5y ago
      I live in Ireland and although (((I))) might be more sensitive to it than you, I think it comes up quite a lot. A week or two ago The Irish Times (IT) was agog at Sally Rooney's decision not to allow her newest book to be published in Hebrew. The opinion pieces, letters pages, and of course Reddit were alive with praise for her "bold and courageous stance". This kind of thing comes up every few weeks, at least it does if you read the IT who's editorial policies have a pretty clear slant on this - as is completely their right - even if I don't much like it. This week the attention was on the Minister of Foreign Affairs and his dislike of Israel's recent classification of several NGOs as terrorist organizations.
      - qaq 5y ago
        I meant as a concern for the avg person I talk to. It def comes up in media
      - mysecretaccount 5y ago
        > A week or two ago The Irish Times (IT) was agog at Sally Rooney's decision not to allow her newest book to be published in Hebrew. Sorry to be pedantic, but this was not Sally Rooney's decision. As part of the BDS movement, she did not want to patronize an Israeli company that would be handling the translation. Rooney has stated that she has no objection to the novel being translated into Hebrew.
  - colinb 5y ago
kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
What do Irish people know about the situation in Israel? Sorry but that sounds ridiculous.

voz_ 5y ago

I am sad you are not open to being swayed, what is the value of coming to a discussion with no intent to change your own mind? How can you visit to offer opinions, with the intent to change others minds, but not be open to having your own changed? Perhaps this topic is near and dear to you, so it is difficult. I do recommend re-evaluating how you think about common discussion spaces like these, and the nature of disagreements in general. Perhaps, as a start, let's find some common ground: I firmly believe that both Israelis and Palestinians deserve peace, prosperity, and full rights.

mysecretaccount 5y ago
To be totally honest, I do not believe from your comments in other threads on this article that you are arguing from a place of good faith. I am more than happy to discuss Israeli apartheid with someone whom I disagree but you seem to just want to waste our time with tedium and nationalist rhetoric.

qaq 5y ago

There is historic tie between USSR, IRA, and Palestine not sure what is the surprise. I highly doubt Ireland wields enough influence on the world stage to influence events one way or the other.

mysecretaccount 5y ago
Perhaps not on its own, but as a sign of things to come. Ireland was proudly at the forefront of boycotting the South African apartheid, and is proudly at the forefront of boycotting the Israeli apartheid.
- qaq 5y ago
  I live in Ireland and honestly the topic doesn't come up much if at all.
  - colinb 5y ago
    I live in Ireland and although (((I))) might be more sensitive to it than you, I think it comes up quite a lot. A week or two ago The Irish Times (IT) was agog at Sally Rooney's decision not to allow her newest book to be published in Hebrew. The opinion pieces, letters pages, and of course Reddit were alive with praise for her "bold and courageous stance". This kind of thing comes up every few weeks, at least it does if you read the IT who's editorial policies have a pretty clear slant on this - as is completely their right - even if I don't much like it. This week the attention was on the Minister of Foreign Affairs and his dislike of Israel's recent classification of several NGOs as terrorist organizations.
    - qaq 5y ago
      I meant as a concern for the avg person I talk to. It def comes up in media
    - mysecretaccount 5y ago
      > A week or two ago The Irish Times (IT) was agog at Sally Rooney's decision not to allow her newest book to be published in Hebrew. Sorry to be pedantic, but this was not Sally Rooney's decision. As part of the BDS movement, she did not want to patronize an Israeli company that would be handling the translation. Rooney has stated that she has no objection to the novel being translated into Hebrew.
- colinb 5y ago

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago

What do Irish people know about the situation in Israel? Sorry but that sounds ridiculous.