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> Now consider that this laptop outperforms most desktop workstations that cost $4k+…and does it on 16h of battery life. > If you’re in the market for a high-p

> Now consider that this laptop outperforms most desktop workstations that cost $4k+…and does it on 16h of battery life. > If you’re in the market for a high-performance computer, you’d have to be dense to not buy one of these (or building x86 firmware) I'd love to see which $4000+ desktop gets beaten by any M1 processor. $4000 is A LOT for a desktop computer. I paid (in total, with upgrades over the years) around ~$1600 and easily beats anything provided by Apple.

ricardobeat 5y ago
That seems unlikely. From recent benchmarks you need to go into $1000+ territory for the CPU alone to get close to M1 multi-core performance. And then there’s the GPU, you can’t even get a 2070 for that amount at the moment.
- capableweb 5y ago
  > From recent benchmarks you need to go into $1000+ territory for the CPU alone to get close to M1 multi-core performance I don't think so, quick comparison, with numbers from https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-Pro-10-Core-3200-MHz-vs-AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-1950X/4580vs3058 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-Pro-10-Core-32...: - Apple M1 Pro 10 Core 3200 MHz - Score: 23730 - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X - Score: 27293 - Price: ~$499 And I just spent 2 minutes digging up those numbers, didn't even look very carefully.
  - ricardobeat 5y ago
    The latest Ryzen CPU is the 5950X, costing near 1k, and it’s behind M1 in that same site’s leaderboard: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html All the recent M1 benchmarks from respectable news sites confirm the same for the majority of multi core real workloads. tl;dr you absolutely will not beat M1 Pro with a $1500 PC for work.
    - capableweb 5y ago
      Did you miss that I mentioned AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X or you're just willingly ignoring it? It beats the M1 and costs <$500. > https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html > $1000+ territory for the CPU alone to get close to M1 multi-core performance Your claim was that you need a +$1000 CPU to get close to M1 multi-core performance, then now you link the single-thread tests?
      - ricardobeat 5y ago
        I took the chart from the website you picked. Here’s a full comparison between M1 Max and the 1950x: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10837819?baseline=10630572 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10837819?baseli... The M1 Max is ahead by leaps and bounds on many tests despite the synthetic score being close. And these only tell half the story. In all the reviews I’ve seen so far, it consistently beats the iMac Pro by up to 2x-4x in real word tasks. Mind you, the original M1 chip already beat many high-end desktops, so this is not surprising at all. Even if the cpu was that cheap: $600 cpu + $200 mobo + $100 ram + $100 ssd + $50 power supply + $600 rtx 2060 That’s the best machine you can put together with ~$1500 and it will be absolutely smoked by the M1 Pro/Max. Then you can try to find a mini-led 4k 120hz monitor, peripherals, mic and speakers, all for < $1000 (hint: impossible)… and still not be able to run on batteries or pack it in a bag.
    - jimbob21 5y ago
      The 5950x costs $750, you can buy it on Amazon right now for that. Much less than 1k. Also, you're comparing single thread performance on only one website. In every website it kicks the M1 Pro's ass on multicore, as it should with 16 cores. https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-pro-vs-amd-ryzen-9-5950x https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-pro-vs-amd-ry... It can also beat it by a hair in single core depending on the benchmark. Don't be disingenuous just to win the argument. To actually prove your point, you need to look at GPUs. A 3070 is ~$1100, so there we go, already we've broken his $1600 budget, and we have bought none of the other parts (which would total at minimum ~$1000 more). If you go 5900x plus 3070, you're pretty much right in line with M1 Pro, but it will cost you around $2500 to equal the Macbook pro. So an upcharge of $1000 to $1500 for the price of being a mobile workstation, as well as all the Mac software. Not really unreasonable.

ricardobeat 5y ago

That seems unlikely. From recent benchmarks you need to go into $1000+ territory for the CPU alone to get close to M1 multi-core performance. And then there’s the GPU, you can’t even get a 2070 for that amount at the moment.

capableweb 5y ago
> From recent benchmarks you need to go into $1000+ territory for the CPU alone to get close to M1 multi-core performance I don't think so, quick comparison, with numbers from https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-Pro-10-Core-3200-MHz-vs-AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-1950X/4580vs3058 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-Pro-10-Core-32...: - Apple M1 Pro 10 Core 3200 MHz - Score: 23730 - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X - Score: 27293 - Price: ~$499 And I just spent 2 minutes digging up those numbers, didn't even look very carefully.
- ricardobeat 5y ago
  The latest Ryzen CPU is the 5950X, costing near 1k, and it’s behind M1 in that same site’s leaderboard: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html All the recent M1 benchmarks from respectable news sites confirm the same for the majority of multi core real workloads. tl;dr you absolutely will not beat M1 Pro with a $1500 PC for work.
  - capableweb 5y ago
    Did you miss that I mentioned AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X or you're just willingly ignoring it? It beats the M1 and costs <$500. > https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html > $1000+ territory for the CPU alone to get close to M1 multi-core performance Your claim was that you need a +$1000 CPU to get close to M1 multi-core performance, then now you link the single-thread tests?
    - ricardobeat 5y ago
      I took the chart from the website you picked. Here’s a full comparison between M1 Max and the 1950x: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10837819?baseline=10630572 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10837819?baseli... The M1 Max is ahead by leaps and bounds on many tests despite the synthetic score being close. And these only tell half the story. In all the reviews I’ve seen so far, it consistently beats the iMac Pro by up to 2x-4x in real word tasks. Mind you, the original M1 chip already beat many high-end desktops, so this is not surprising at all. Even if the cpu was that cheap: $600 cpu + $200 mobo + $100 ram + $100 ssd + $50 power supply + $600 rtx 2060 That’s the best machine you can put together with ~$1500 and it will be absolutely smoked by the M1 Pro/Max. Then you can try to find a mini-led 4k 120hz monitor, peripherals, mic and speakers, all for < $1000 (hint: impossible)… and still not be able to run on batteries or pack it in a bag.
  - jimbob21 5y ago
    The 5950x costs $750, you can buy it on Amazon right now for that. Much less than 1k. Also, you're comparing single thread performance on only one website. In every website it kicks the M1 Pro's ass on multicore, as it should with 16 cores. https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-pro-vs-amd-ryzen-9-5950x https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m1-pro-vs-amd-ry... It can also beat it by a hair in single core depending on the benchmark. Don't be disingenuous just to win the argument. To actually prove your point, you need to look at GPUs. A 3070 is ~$1100, so there we go, already we've broken his $1600 budget, and we have bought none of the other parts (which would total at minimum ~$1000 more). If you go 5900x plus 3070, you're pretty much right in line with M1 Pro, but it will cost you around $2500 to equal the Macbook pro. So an upcharge of $1000 to $1500 for the price of being a mobile workstation, as well as all the Mac software. Not really unreasonable.