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Can you give some more specifics?

by JanSt 5y ago

mysecretaccount 5y ago
I recommend checking out the disparity in terms of casualties and general suffering this year alone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_...) and working backward. This talk (https://youtu.be/MON2HL02mec https://youtu.be/MON2HL02mec) of Norman Finkelstein is also a solid introduction.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  Israel has the better military. That doesn't automatically make them evil. Their enemies (Hamas) have sworn to eliminate them. What would you do if you were Israel?
- JanSt 5y ago
  Please be more specific. A disparity in casualties is to be expected in this kind of conflict. It also says nothing about who started what, who wants to erase whom etc. Regarding Finkelstein (who has been endorsed by David Duke and others): Bronzik, Benz, Seligmann and many more have shown many flaws in his book. It's easy to throw some articles around and put appeals to authority ("Finkelstein is also a solid introduction") in a comment. No conflict it as clear as people on any side make it sound.
  - mysecretaccount 5y ago
    Ah, another tedious, bad faith request for more detailed information, complete with ad hominem "Finkelstein was endorsed by a white supremacist"! How many of these HN accounts are you posting from this evening?
    - colinb 5y ago
      This is not a good-faith argument. If you cannot address disagreement without asserting that your interlocutors are glove-puppet, how are we to progress? If you're going to argue from authority, then you have to be prepared to have the authority questioned. This isn't the USSR. We're allowed to say that your holy texts are nonsense.
      - mysecretaccount 5y ago
        It absolutely is good-faith, as I genuinely believe there are puppet accounts used on this page. Another user mentioned it. What is not good-faith are persistent "requests for more information" from apartheid apologists (the number of actual people these users represent is in question) that have no interest in the "specifics" or "elaboration" they are asking for.
    - JanSt 5y ago
      If you cannot give specific points your argument may not be very good. I‘m sorry to question your deities. You brought them to the table. mysecretaccount, this is my only account. Also, it‘s midday in Europe.

Can you give some more specifics?

by JanSt 5y ago

Can you give some more specifics?

I recommend checking out the disparity in terms of casualties and general suffering this year alone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_...) and working backward. This talk (https://youtu.be/MON2HL02mec https://youtu.be/MON2HL02mec) of Norman Finkelstein is also a solid introduction.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
Israel has the better military. That doesn't automatically make them evil. Their enemies (Hamas) have sworn to eliminate them. What would you do if you were Israel?
JanSt 5y ago
Please be more specific. A disparity in casualties is to be expected in this kind of conflict. It also says nothing about who started what, who wants to erase whom etc. Regarding Finkelstein (who has been endorsed by David Duke and others): Bronzik, Benz, Seligmann and many more have shown many flaws in his book. It's easy to throw some articles around and put appeals to authority ("Finkelstein is also a solid introduction") in a comment. No conflict it as clear as people on any side make it sound.
- mysecretaccount 5y ago
  Ah, another tedious, bad faith request for more detailed information, complete with ad hominem "Finkelstein was endorsed by a white supremacist"! How many of these HN accounts are you posting from this evening?
  - colinb 5y ago
    This is not a good-faith argument. If you cannot address disagreement without asserting that your interlocutors are glove-puppet, how are we to progress? If you're going to argue from authority, then you have to be prepared to have the authority questioned. This isn't the USSR. We're allowed to say that your holy texts are nonsense.
    - mysecretaccount 5y ago
      It absolutely is good-faith, as I genuinely believe there are puppet accounts used on this page. Another user mentioned it. What is not good-faith are persistent "requests for more information" from apartheid apologists (the number of actual people these users represent is in question) that have no interest in the "specifics" or "elaboration" they are asking for.
  - JanSt 5y ago
    If you cannot give specific points your argument may not be very good. I‘m sorry to question your deities. You brought them to the table. mysecretaccount, this is my only account. Also, it‘s midday in Europe.