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Our most reliable and proven form of population control is the education of girls. If we truly care about saving the species this is the most effective route av

Our most reliable and proven form of population control is the education of girls. If we truly care about saving the species this is the most effective route available to us in the next generations along with ending the use of non-renewal energy Impactful funds you can support: https://impactful.ninja/best-charities-for-female-education/ https://impactful.ninja/best-charities-for-female-education/

EdwardDiego 5y ago
Exactly, this is so well documented, if anyone's still scared of a Malthusian disaster, focus on overcoming cultural biases against educating girls.
fallingknife 5y ago
I would say that war, famine, and disease are our most proven. Education of women is speculative, as it has not been a factor in the past like the first 3, and used often as a hand wavy way for people who are smart enough to understand the math to say they are against population control.
- qw 5y ago
  If we want to solve a problem, we should try to choose the solutions that don't involve killing people :-) All trends show that the countries with low levels of poverty, high levels of education and women equality results in fewer births. Women are able to have careers and want to finish their education and get work experience before they think of children. In countries like Scandinavia, the average age of first time mothers are increasing year by year. We also see that cities within the country with a lot of highly educated jobs have a higher age than others
  - fallingknife 5y ago
    I'm will absolutely concede that it may work and we should try anyway. But correlation != causality.
    - jholman 5y ago
      > correlation != causality That's also an argument against your point about war, disease, and famine.
      - fallingknife 5y ago
        When you put a sword through someone, causality is not in doubt.
  - titzer 5y ago
    > If we want to solve a problem, we should try to choose the solutions that don't involve killing people :-) The anti-natalism movement has it right IMHO. If we voluntarily limit birth to far less than replacement, overpopulation would correct itself in as little as a generation. But we won't do that, we're not wired that way. Instead, we'll keep chugging along past the carrying capacity of the biosphere and Gaia will correct our population for us, abruptly.
- aliswe 5y ago
  I'm not trying to be snarky - but take moment to google "population control education"
- Nasrudith 5y ago
  Those three are all proven - to not work in the long term! War, famine,and disease tend to be followed by increased reproduction. A combination of sadism and intuitiveness are the only "advantages" of the four "proven" appoaches of the horsemen and arrogant know-nothing social darwinists. Education of women is linked to a more K-Stategy approach among many other reasons on a personal level (ambitions to a higher purpose, learning in detail all of the cringe inducing ways an already known to be painful birth can go wrong for you and your children). K-strategy is all about quality over quantity which is what we actually want and need anyway. While a largely uneducated nation may say export the most logs with a large uneducated populace with handtools as lumberjacks - what they need from the transaction is money and lumber is better. And from there to furniture and a more advanced industrial economy.
  - fallingknife 5y ago
    Well that's a really good point!
titzer 5y ago
> Our most reliable and proven form of population control is... limited resources. Education has got nothing on starvation.

EdwardDiego 5y ago

Exactly, this is so well documented, if anyone's still scared of a Malthusian disaster, focus on overcoming cultural biases against educating girls.

fallingknife 5y ago

I would say that war, famine, and disease are our most proven. Education of women is speculative, as it has not been a factor in the past like the first 3, and used often as a hand wavy way for people who are smart enough to understand the math to say they are against population control.

qw 5y ago
If we want to solve a problem, we should try to choose the solutions that don't involve killing people :-) All trends show that the countries with low levels of poverty, high levels of education and women equality results in fewer births. Women are able to have careers and want to finish their education and get work experience before they think of children. In countries like Scandinavia, the average age of first time mothers are increasing year by year. We also see that cities within the country with a lot of highly educated jobs have a higher age than others
- fallingknife 5y ago
  I'm will absolutely concede that it may work and we should try anyway. But correlation != causality.
  - jholman 5y ago
    > correlation != causality That's also an argument against your point about war, disease, and famine.
    - fallingknife 5y ago
      When you put a sword through someone, causality is not in doubt.
- titzer 5y ago
  > If we want to solve a problem, we should try to choose the solutions that don't involve killing people :-) The anti-natalism movement has it right IMHO. If we voluntarily limit birth to far less than replacement, overpopulation would correct itself in as little as a generation. But we won't do that, we're not wired that way. Instead, we'll keep chugging along past the carrying capacity of the biosphere and Gaia will correct our population for us, abruptly.
aliswe 5y ago
I'm not trying to be snarky - but take moment to google "population control education"
Nasrudith 5y ago
Those three are all proven - to not work in the long term! War, famine,and disease tend to be followed by increased reproduction. A combination of sadism and intuitiveness are the only "advantages" of the four "proven" appoaches of the horsemen and arrogant know-nothing social darwinists. Education of women is linked to a more K-Stategy approach among many other reasons on a personal level (ambitions to a higher purpose, learning in detail all of the cringe inducing ways an already known to be painful birth can go wrong for you and your children). K-strategy is all about quality over quantity which is what we actually want and need anyway. While a largely uneducated nation may say export the most logs with a large uneducated populace with handtools as lumberjacks - what they need from the transaction is money and lumber is better. And from there to furniture and a more advanced industrial economy.
- fallingknife 5y ago
  Well that's a really good point!

titzer 5y ago

> Our most reliable and proven form of population control is... limited resources. Education has got nothing on starvation.