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That’s a totally fair point and I’ve edited my post to more properly reflect how I think about it, without the virus word association.

aspenmayer 5y ago
I’m also skeptical of other products made in other countries, but there are vastly more consumer electronics products sold in America made in China than any other country, along with open hostility to some Western companies who want to sell in China without undue government influence. I’m skeptical of all my purchases independent of where they were manufactured, but threat assessment isn’t context blind. I’d be more suspicious of a Saudi-made iPhone than a Chinese one, but less suspicious of an Indian iPhone than either. I’m sure my own unconscious biases are feeding into these suspicions, but I honestly don’t have reasonable alternatives to most of my electronics made in any particular country. The news tells us to fear Huawei, which makes me wonder what other warnings we may not be hearing. Do other countries warn against using American products and services? I’d be curious about reliability and quality control variance between countries of manufacture, but I suspect that timely data on this would be hard to gather. I quite like the vast majority of my products, wherever they are made. I just want trustworthy products made safely by willing employees paid fair wages for reasonable working hours. In that regard, it’s hard to find anything I know to meet these criteria, even when it’s made in USA. Buying better isn’t always buying less, but they can be complementary goals.
- d110af5ccf 5y ago
  > Do other countries warn against using American products and services? The EU warns against US based cloud infrastructure.
  - ranger_danger 5y ago
    But does the US warn against EU based cloud infrastructure?
    - aspenmayer 5y ago
      Kinda? https://www.computerworld.com/article/2509944/eu-upset-by-microsoft-warning-on-u-s--access-to-eu-cloud.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2509944/eu-upset-by-mi...

aspenmayer 5y ago

I’m also skeptical of other products made in other countries, but there are vastly more consumer electronics products sold in America made in China than any other country, along with open hostility to some Western companies who want to sell in China without undue government influence. I’m skeptical of all my purchases independent of where they were manufactured, but threat assessment isn’t context blind. I’d be more suspicious of a Saudi-made iPhone than a Chinese one, but less suspicious of an Indian iPhone than either. I’m sure my own unconscious biases are feeding into these suspicions, but I honestly don’t have reasonable alternatives to most of my electronics made in any particular country. The news tells us to fear Huawei, which makes me wonder what other warnings we may not be hearing. Do other countries warn against using American products and services? I’d be curious about reliability and quality control variance between countries of manufacture, but I suspect that timely data on this would be hard to gather. I quite like the vast majority of my products, wherever they are made. I just want trustworthy products made safely by willing employees paid fair wages for reasonable working hours. In that regard, it’s hard to find anything I know to meet these criteria, even when it’s made in USA. Buying better isn’t always buying less, but they can be complementary goals.

d110af5ccf 5y ago
> Do other countries warn against using American products and services? The EU warns against US based cloud infrastructure.
- ranger_danger 5y ago
  But does the US warn against EU based cloud infrastructure?
  - aspenmayer 5y ago
    Kinda? https://www.computerworld.com/article/2509944/eu-upset-by-microsoft-warning-on-u-s--access-to-eu-cloud.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2509944/eu-upset-by-mi...