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Have those predictions come to pass?

ekianjo 5y ago
Ever heard of something called the Arab Spring?
hajile 5y ago
Yes More precisely, they say 118M extra people in 2020 which is 12M less than projected, but that's small comfort to the hundred-million people who can't get enough to eat. https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/agriculture/brief/food-security-and-covid-19 https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/agriculture/brief/food-se...
- danans 5y ago
  That's not all due to the pandemic, according to your own link: > Hunger was trending upward even before the COVID-19 pandemic, which exacerbated existing effects from extreme climate events, conflict, and other shocks to economic opportunities.
  - hajile 5y ago
    COVID death toll across the entire world is only around 5M. Only a tiny fraction of that 118M is needed to make COVID look like nothing in comparison.
    - danans 5y ago
      118M is the increase in people facing chronic hunger. 5M are deaths. Those aren't the same thing. Nobody would say that chronic hunger isn't horrible - it is - but it is highly disingenuous to compare it directly with deaths. Chronic hunger is a systemic issue. There are simply too many confounding factors to arbitrarily place the blame for a given % of hunger increase on COVID mitigation measures. We know it had some significant effect, but can't say much beyond that, and certainly can't draw any conclusions about whether the measures were appropriate or optimal based on that. To do so would be lying with numbers to advance an agenda. Furthermore, letting the virus run wild and kill millions more could have resulted in tremendous increase in hunger itself - economies and supply chains don't handle mass death well, ever. Now you might say that is speculation, but it's no moreso than the % of 118M argument that you forwarded. It's far to early to be Monday morning quarterbacking the pandemic - we are still very much in all dimensions of it.
    - random314 5y ago
      > COVID death toll across the entire world is only around 5M. Gross underestimate, india itself has an excess mortality of 5M or more.

Ever heard of something called the Arab Spring?

Yes More precisely, they say 118M extra people in 2020 which is 12M less than projected, but that's small comfort to the hundred-million people who can't get enough to eat. https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/agriculture/brief/food-security-and-covid-19 https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/agriculture/brief/food-se...

danans 5y ago
That's not all due to the pandemic, according to your own link: > Hunger was trending upward even before the COVID-19 pandemic, which exacerbated existing effects from extreme climate events, conflict, and other shocks to economic opportunities.
- hajile 5y ago
  COVID death toll across the entire world is only around 5M. Only a tiny fraction of that 118M is needed to make COVID look like nothing in comparison.
  - danans 5y ago
    118M is the increase in people facing chronic hunger. 5M are deaths. Those aren't the same thing. Nobody would say that chronic hunger isn't horrible - it is - but it is highly disingenuous to compare it directly with deaths. Chronic hunger is a systemic issue. There are simply too many confounding factors to arbitrarily place the blame for a given % of hunger increase on COVID mitigation measures. We know it had some significant effect, but can't say much beyond that, and certainly can't draw any conclusions about whether the measures were appropriate or optimal based on that. To do so would be lying with numbers to advance an agenda. Furthermore, letting the virus run wild and kill millions more could have resulted in tremendous increase in hunger itself - economies and supply chains don't handle mass death well, ever. Now you might say that is speculation, but it's no moreso than the % of 118M argument that you forwarded. It's far to early to be Monday morning quarterbacking the pandemic - we are still very much in all dimensions of it.
  - random314 5y ago
    > COVID death toll across the entire world is only around 5M. Gross underestimate, india itself has an excess mortality of 5M or more.