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> The odds of COVID19 escaping a BSL4 facility were also pretty low but here we are. Only a small fraction of scientists actually believe the lab leak hypothes

> The odds of COVID19 escaping a BSL4 facility were also pretty low but here we are. Only a small fraction of scientists actually believe the lab leak hypothesis, so it's a bit ridiculous to speak as if it's an established fact.

drran 5y ago
> Only a small fraction of *scientists* actually *believe* Emmmm. It doesn't look like scientific argument.
- civilized 5y ago
  Are you under the impression that the lab leak is proven unless I myself disprove it in these comments? I'm just telling you a reason you should doubt that it has been proven. Is this confusing or something?
  - drran 5y ago
    Science (all about profs) is opposite to belief (acceptance without proof). «Some folks, which are used to use proofs, are accepting something without proof...» Emmm...
mandmandam 5y ago
> Only a small fraction of scientists actually believe the lab leak hypothesis Got a source for that? And, let's not forget that wholly insubstantial Daszak / Lancet piece, used to justify massive censorship of the lab leak theory. Millions of posts discussing the lab leak hypothesis were scrubbed from FB and Twitter - even posts by legit scientists with highly valid and relevant points and questions.
- civilized 5y ago
  Having trouble finding my original source but I remember an NYT article that interviewed a bunch of virologists, and the consensus was that the vast majority of the community were unsure because the evidence so far was so limited. Only a tiny, vocal minority is going definitively one way or the other, putting forth arguments that are much flimsier than they sound. Believe me or no, that's what I remember in good faith. And I think it's supported by the fact that extremely few people with the relevant domain knowledge are coming public with a strong opinion either way. And don't believe stuff just because FB and Twitter censored it. They're not trying to hide the Truth, they just hate anti-establishment opinions regardless of whether those opinions are true. And things are not true just because they're anti-establishment. That's just the opposite end of conformity.
  - coupdejarnac 5y ago
    The letter signed by scientists discrediting the lab leak theory has itself been discredited. You are far behind in the news. https://thepostmillennial.com/dr-daszak-bullied-fellow-scientists-into-signing-letter-denouncing-coronavirus-lab-leak-theory https://thepostmillennial.com/dr-daszak-bullied-fellow-scien...
    - civilized 5y ago
      I didn't care about that letter to begin with. Peter Daszak is obviously a creep trying to cover his ass. That doesn't change the fact that the origins of COVID are a hard scientific question that no one has figured out yet. If you're keeping up with the news, do you just read partisan polemics or do you actually keep up with the scientific developments? Here is an article on an exceptionally close bat coronavirus relative to the COVID coronavirus, which can bind to ACE2. The lab leak peanut gallery said such a thing didn't exist anywhere. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2
      - coupdejarnac 5y ago
        Almost all the references from point to articles written by Chinese scientists in the last year. Color me skeptical. Who among the proponents of the lab leak theory claim that the virus doesn't occur in nature? Nobody I am aware of. Perhaps the kooks who claim covid was completely manmade as a bioweapon or something. There is no transparency on this issue with China. There's a reason why there is a dearth of evidence- it's all been suppressed or destroyed.
        civilized 5y ago
        > Almost all the references from point to articles written by Chinese scientists in the last year. Color me skeptical. Except the first reference, which is the entire point of the article: French scientists found bat coronaviruses very similar to SARS-CoV-2 in Laos. No more partisan posturing please. You are straining to defend preconceived notions by ignoring new information, rather than paying curious attention to the world around you. Turn politics brain off, turn science brain on.

drran 5y ago

> Only a small fraction of *scientists* actually *believe* Emmmm. It doesn't look like scientific argument.

civilized 5y ago
Are you under the impression that the lab leak is proven unless I myself disprove it in these comments? I'm just telling you a reason you should doubt that it has been proven. Is this confusing or something?
- drran 5y ago
  Science (all about profs) is opposite to belief (acceptance without proof). «Some folks, which are used to use proofs, are accepting something without proof...» Emmm...

mandmandam 5y ago

> Only a small fraction of scientists actually believe the lab leak hypothesis Got a source for that? And, let's not forget that wholly insubstantial Daszak / Lancet piece, used to justify massive censorship of the lab leak theory. Millions of posts discussing the lab leak hypothesis were scrubbed from FB and Twitter - even posts by legit scientists with highly valid and relevant points and questions.

civilized 5y ago
Having trouble finding my original source but I remember an NYT article that interviewed a bunch of virologists, and the consensus was that the vast majority of the community were unsure because the evidence so far was so limited. Only a tiny, vocal minority is going definitively one way or the other, putting forth arguments that are much flimsier than they sound. Believe me or no, that's what I remember in good faith. And I think it's supported by the fact that extremely few people with the relevant domain knowledge are coming public with a strong opinion either way. And don't believe stuff just because FB and Twitter censored it. They're not trying to hide the Truth, they just hate anti-establishment opinions regardless of whether those opinions are true. And things are not true just because they're anti-establishment. That's just the opposite end of conformity.
- coupdejarnac 5y ago
  The letter signed by scientists discrediting the lab leak theory has itself been discredited. You are far behind in the news. https://thepostmillennial.com/dr-daszak-bullied-fellow-scientists-into-signing-letter-denouncing-coronavirus-lab-leak-theory https://thepostmillennial.com/dr-daszak-bullied-fellow-scien...
  - civilized 5y ago
    I didn't care about that letter to begin with. Peter Daszak is obviously a creep trying to cover his ass. That doesn't change the fact that the origins of COVID are a hard scientific question that no one has figured out yet. If you're keeping up with the news, do you just read partisan polemics or do you actually keep up with the scientific developments? Here is an article on an exceptionally close bat coronavirus relative to the COVID coronavirus, which can bind to ACE2. The lab leak peanut gallery said such a thing didn't exist anywhere. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02596-2
    - coupdejarnac 5y ago
      Almost all the references from point to articles written by Chinese scientists in the last year. Color me skeptical. Who among the proponents of the lab leak theory claim that the virus doesn't occur in nature? Nobody I am aware of. Perhaps the kooks who claim covid was completely manmade as a bioweapon or something. There is no transparency on this issue with China. There's a reason why there is a dearth of evidence- it's all been suppressed or destroyed.
      - civilized 5y ago
        > Almost all the references from point to articles written by Chinese scientists in the last year. Color me skeptical. Except the first reference, which is the entire point of the article: French scientists found bat coronaviruses very similar to SARS-CoV-2 in Laos. No more partisan posturing please. You are straining to defend preconceived notions by ignoring new information, rather than paying curious attention to the world around you. Turn politics brain off, turn science brain on.