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AI Completes Beethoven’s Unfinished Symphony Nearly 200 Years Later

8 points by bcaulfield 5y ago

flerovium 5y ago
see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28696257 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28696257
beefman 5y ago
Show me completions of his finished works before asking me to believe a completion of an unfinished one. Come to think of it, this would be an interesting dataset and challenge. Has it ever been attempted?
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- hulitu 5y ago
  Why must someone come and ruin everything. :)))
alterk0de 5y ago
I have a very hard time accepting the legitimacy of this project. I have the Eye of Thundera, so I approach Art in a very different fashion. I'm somewhat of an Artist (https://ia804502.us.archive.org/35/items/TheSongofAntares/IMG_4294.JPG https://ia804502.us.archive.org/35/items/TheSongofAntares/IM...) and an amateur musician (https://soundcloud.com/user-408150882-831970789/rhythm-of-kaalagni https://soundcloud.com/user-408150882-831970789/rhythm-of-ka...) myself (SonicPi and Dramyin), if it lends some experience rather than authority on this topic. The drive behind Art and Music is to externalize one's Being in a medium that can be communicated on a sensory plane. Whether a product is aesthetic or not is of secondary concern; it is the 'soul' of work and how it relates to the artist and the art-perceiver that makes art, 'Art'. For instance, this image entitled Water by Giuseppe Arcimboldo (https://www.wikiart.org/en/giuseppe-arcimboldo/water-1566?fbclid=IwAR2VLFqmOO8sA7JhMJR966VffaJ9GCDKBEBnVQnn0vzKxl6E5bI2kwpS3Ns https://www.wikiart.org/en/giuseppe-arcimboldo/water-1566?fb...) encodes collective aquatic mode of being into an anthropomorphic feminine form at a structural level. This can be easily programmed. What lies beneath the visual field is the 'feeling' or 'chitta' as it is called in Sanskrit of the work. Meditation on the work will often reveal this subtle layer; the Greeks called this 'Eidos'. The output of any automation generally feels [the same]. Therefore, I believe that it is impossible for any computational system to produce genuine art or music in an automated fashion, let alone complete the work of a genius. In fact, this so-called [AI-Completed piece] of Beethoven has no trace of machine in it. The [completed segments] are also not in harmony with the [rest of the work]. This is a profound topic and requires certain models of reality to dissolve for proper internalization. (https://medium.com/@100and9/the-incomplete-rational-guide-to-god-199eee706af6 https://medium.com/@100and9/the-incomplete-rational-guide-to...)
marocan 5y ago
Title is deceiving readers.

8 points by bcaulfield 5y ago

see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28696257 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28696257

Show me completions of his finished works before asking me to believe a completion of an unfinished one. Come to think of it, this would be an interesting dataset and challenge. Has it ever been attempted?

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hulitu 5y ago
Why must someone come and ruin everything. :)))

alterk0de 5y ago

I have a very hard time accepting the legitimacy of this project. I have the Eye of Thundera, so I approach Art in a very different fashion. I'm somewhat of an Artist (https://ia804502.us.archive.org/35/items/TheSongofAntares/IMG_4294.JPG https://ia804502.us.archive.org/35/items/TheSongofAntares/IM...) and an amateur musician (https://soundcloud.com/user-408150882-831970789/rhythm-of-kaalagni https://soundcloud.com/user-408150882-831970789/rhythm-of-ka...) myself (SonicPi and Dramyin), if it lends some experience rather than authority on this topic. The drive behind Art and Music is to externalize one's Being in a medium that can be communicated on a sensory plane. Whether a product is aesthetic or not is of secondary concern; it is the 'soul' of work and how it relates to the artist and the art-perceiver that makes art, 'Art'. For instance, this image entitled Water by Giuseppe Arcimboldo (https://www.wikiart.org/en/giuseppe-arcimboldo/water-1566?fbclid=IwAR2VLFqmOO8sA7JhMJR966VffaJ9GCDKBEBnVQnn0vzKxl6E5bI2kwpS3Ns https://www.wikiart.org/en/giuseppe-arcimboldo/water-1566?fb...) encodes collective aquatic mode of being into an anthropomorphic feminine form at a structural level. This can be easily programmed. What lies beneath the visual field is the 'feeling' or 'chitta' as it is called in Sanskrit of the work. Meditation on the work will often reveal this subtle layer; the Greeks called this 'Eidos'. The output of any automation generally feels [the same]. Therefore, I believe that it is impossible for any computational system to produce genuine art or music in an automated fashion, let alone complete the work of a genius. In fact, this so-called [AI-Completed piece] of Beethoven has no trace of machine in it. The [completed segments] are also not in harmony with the [rest of the work]. This is a profound topic and requires certain models of reality to dissolve for proper internalization. (https://medium.com/@100and9/the-incomplete-rational-guide-to-god-199eee706af6 https://medium.com/@100and9/the-incomplete-rational-guide-to...)

marocan 5y ago

Title is deceiving readers.