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> part of the problem is that there is a prevalent unconscious gender bias in STEM that makes it unwelcoming for women Just three paragraphs in.

ryan93 5y ago
Quite the suggestion that an anodyne joke about "real men" is whats stopping women from programming. In fact many women would no doubt find the suggestion patronizing.
- commandlinefan 5y ago
  If that's his personal moral code, I don't have a problem with him substituting "programmers" for "men", but just do it and spare me the lecture. I consciously avoid referring to groups of women or mixed-genders as "guys", but I don't stop and point out to everybody that I did it whenever I do.
chrsig 5y ago
oh no! anything but trying to make STEM more welcoming to the women!! How can we possibly read any of this!?
- bopbeepboop 5y ago
  Do you also support “Whites in Basketball”? I’m asking, because women in STEM seems to be the only area where we focus on the needs of the majority (women are 60% in universities) rather than the needs of the minority. Women have been the majority in education a decade longer than I’ve been alive — how much sexist privilege does the majority need? To me, it sounds like “Whites in Basketball”: - benefits the majority in areas they’re “historically underrepresented” - focuses on “high paying jobs” with special skills, ignoring broader issues
avsbst 5y ago
Would refer to the guidelines [1] for this site: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#comments https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#comments
- kbelder 5y ago
  "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." Unfortunately, the articles HN links to don't have to follow those guidelines.

ryan93 5y ago

Quite the suggestion that an anodyne joke about "real men" is whats stopping women from programming. In fact many women would no doubt find the suggestion patronizing.

commandlinefan 5y ago
If that's his personal moral code, I don't have a problem with him substituting "programmers" for "men", but just do it and spare me the lecture. I consciously avoid referring to groups of women or mixed-genders as "guys", but I don't stop and point out to everybody that I did it whenever I do.

chrsig 5y ago

oh no! anything but trying to make STEM more welcoming to the women!! How can we possibly read any of this!?

bopbeepboop 5y ago
Do you also support “Whites in Basketball”? I’m asking, because women in STEM seems to be the only area where we focus on the needs of the majority (women are 60% in universities) rather than the needs of the minority. Women have been the majority in education a decade longer than I’ve been alive — how much sexist privilege does the majority need? To me, it sounds like “Whites in Basketball”: - benefits the majority in areas they’re “historically underrepresented” - focuses on “high paying jobs” with special skills, ignoring broader issues

avsbst 5y ago

Would refer to the guidelines [1] for this site: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#comments https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#comments

kbelder 5y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." Unfortunately, the articles HN links to don't have to follow those guidelines.