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>But on the other, it's a fabulously beautiful and well crafted open world with tons of things to do and explore It's a repetitive adventure game with shallow

by emsy 5y ago

>But on the other, it's a fabulously beautiful and well crafted open world with tons of things to do and explore It's a repetitive adventure game with shallow gameplay. I played it for about 5 hours waiting for it to become good before recognizing they copied the least interesting parts of BOTW and slapped a gacha-mechanic on it. At least the graphics are nice. I think gacha mechanics are bad because the random element means it's effectively gambling. The skinner box mechanic aims right for that sweet dopamine hit. The fact that Genshin Impact is so financially successful is deeply worrying.

jaaron 5y ago
I disagree that the gameplay is particularly shallow. The end game requires both mechanics and tactics. That said, the end game may or may not be _rewarding_ as it's very grindy and there's a good question (for many of these sort of games) of what you're grinding _for_. But the gameplay mechanics get deeper than what you seem to have experienced.
sudosysgen 5y ago
The gameplay really isn't shallow. If you want to be a casual and not get too much into it, it is. Otherwise, there is a lot of depth you can get into. It's just that in your first 5 hours there is not much incentive, which is fine, at that point you haven't even unlocked half of the map. The thing with Genshin that makes the mechanics rewarding durably is a consequence of the gacha for a free to play - each account is different. So you can't just use the same tactics as other people, you have to take what you get and make it work. In the process you have to learn the combat mechanics - animation cancelling, ICD, energy recharge, character switching, geo reactions and shields, crit-rate optimization, i-frames, stamina consumption, character grouping, resistances, swirling, elemental mastery, etc...
foobarian 5y ago
Honestly I feel the opposite. Genshin is what BOTW should've been graphics/gameplay/art-wise. Given that I paid $60 for BOTW I feel it would be fair to pay a similar amount into Genshin's store given how much more enjoyment I got out of it. My main two concerns with the game are that there is the "Soylent is people" aspect where if you dig deeper you realize the game is funded by a small addicted minority. And second, I shudder to think what kind of 996 sweatshop that company must be given that I don't know a single western company that achieved this level of polish (and they are already known as cruel employers).

by emsy 5y ago

jaaron 5y ago

I disagree that the gameplay is particularly shallow. The end game requires both mechanics and tactics. That said, the end game may or may not be _rewarding_ as it's very grindy and there's a good question (for many of these sort of games) of what you're grinding _for_. But the gameplay mechanics get deeper than what you seem to have experienced.

sudosysgen 5y ago

The gameplay really isn't shallow. If you want to be a casual and not get too much into it, it is. Otherwise, there is a lot of depth you can get into. It's just that in your first 5 hours there is not much incentive, which is fine, at that point you haven't even unlocked half of the map. The thing with Genshin that makes the mechanics rewarding durably is a consequence of the gacha for a free to play - each account is different. So you can't just use the same tactics as other people, you have to take what you get and make it work. In the process you have to learn the combat mechanics - animation cancelling, ICD, energy recharge, character switching, geo reactions and shields, crit-rate optimization, i-frames, stamina consumption, character grouping, resistances, swirling, elemental mastery, etc...

foobarian 5y ago

Honestly I feel the opposite. Genshin is what BOTW should've been graphics/gameplay/art-wise. Given that I paid $60 for BOTW I feel it would be fair to pay a similar amount into Genshin's store given how much more enjoyment I got out of it. My main two concerns with the game are that there is the "Soylent is people" aspect where if you dig deeper you realize the game is funded by a small addicted minority. And second, I shudder to think what kind of 996 sweatshop that company must be given that I don't know a single western company that achieved this level of polish (and they are already known as cruel employers).