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I do use paper maps as my phone doesn't support apps or maps. They're surprisingly useful. Payphones, nope. Still got a flip phone. Yep, can be used to track

I do use paper maps as my phone doesn't support apps or maps. They're surprisingly useful. Payphones, nope. Still got a flip phone. Yep, can be used to track me, but I don't take it everywhere. Also, your position seems to be something like, If you can't be perfectly private from every possible angle, any choice enhancing privacy imperfectly is silly. I don't agree with that.

dylan604 5y ago
>but I don't take it everywhere. at least having the option of taking the battery out while still taking it with you just in case you do need it is a bonus
wintermutestwin 5y ago
>Also, your position seems to be something like, If you can't be perfectly private from every possible angle, any choice enhancing privacy imperfectly is silly. That wasn't my position. I'm sorry it was easy to assume it was. I was saying that it is very impractical to drive without a smartphone and that it is tracking you in a more ubiquitous way.
- deltarholamda 5y ago
  >I was saying that it is very impractical to drive without a smartphone Man, I remember driving in the 80s, we just wandered around lost for two decades. I live in West Undershirt, PA now because I just happened to end up there when I went out for pizza. One time, around 1998, I went to visit a friend in Houston. All I had were some sketchy instructions given over email, and I ended up a warlord ruling over the stretch of I-45 between Juan's Tacos and the Sherwin-Williams.
- sjwalter 5y ago
  >I was saying that it is very impractical to drive without a smartphone Dude, I think you should really question this. I've been smartphone free for over a year. It's... easy. In fact, easier than having a smartphone in many ways! So strange how quickly our society became psychologically chained to these blipping bleeping distracting infernal machines.
  - claytoneast 5y ago
    Out of curiosity, do you have to use another device for TOTP 2F?
  - flyinghamster 5y ago
    I've sometimes considered going back to a flip phone as a daily driver. I've settled instead for treating the smartphone as a tool rather than a lifestyle. If I'm not using it for navigation, location gets turned off. I don't do discussion forums on it, general web surfing is right out, and anything from Facebook got ripped out when I bought it (with one thing that couldn't be removed getting disabled). A side benefit is that I get 2-3 days' life out of my battery and still have about 30% left when I plug it in.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
  If you're trying to hide from the government, sure. But if you're trying to keep companies from sharing your data, keeping it limited to the phone does keep the same data in fewer hands.
- StanislavPetrov 5y ago
  >I was saying that it is very impractical to drive without a smartphone and that it is tracking you in a more ubiquitous way. As someone who has stuck with a flip phone all along, its extremely practical. We had no trouble getting around before smartphones, and its still no trouble.

dylan604 5y ago

>but I don't take it everywhere. at least having the option of taking the battery out while still taking it with you just in case you do need it is a bonus

wintermutestwin 5y ago

>Also, your position seems to be something like, If you can't be perfectly private from every possible angle, any choice enhancing privacy imperfectly is silly. That wasn't my position. I'm sorry it was easy to assume it was. I was saying that it is very impractical to drive without a smartphone and that it is tracking you in a more ubiquitous way.

deltarholamda 5y ago
>I was saying that it is very impractical to drive without a smartphone Man, I remember driving in the 80s, we just wandered around lost for two decades. I live in West Undershirt, PA now because I just happened to end up there when I went out for pizza. One time, around 1998, I went to visit a friend in Houston. All I had were some sketchy instructions given over email, and I ended up a warlord ruling over the stretch of I-45 between Juan's Tacos and the Sherwin-Williams.
sjwalter 5y ago
>I was saying that it is very impractical to drive without a smartphone Dude, I think you should really question this. I've been smartphone free for over a year. It's... easy. In fact, easier than having a smartphone in many ways! So strange how quickly our society became psychologically chained to these blipping bleeping distracting infernal machines.
- claytoneast 5y ago
  Out of curiosity, do you have to use another device for TOTP 2F?
- flyinghamster 5y ago
  I've sometimes considered going back to a flip phone as a daily driver. I've settled instead for treating the smartphone as a tool rather than a lifestyle. If I'm not using it for navigation, location gets turned off. I don't do discussion forums on it, general web surfing is right out, and anything from Facebook got ripped out when I bought it (with one thing that couldn't be removed getting disabled). A side benefit is that I get 2-3 days' life out of my battery and still have about 30% left when I plug it in.
6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
If you're trying to hide from the government, sure. But if you're trying to keep companies from sharing your data, keeping it limited to the phone does keep the same data in fewer hands.
StanislavPetrov 5y ago
>I was saying that it is very impractical to drive without a smartphone and that it is tracking you in a more ubiquitous way. As someone who has stuck with a flip phone all along, its extremely practical. We had no trouble getting around before smartphones, and its still no trouble.