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Exactly my thoughts! It's just an electric motor, it need not entangle my automobile in a web of SaaS interconnectivity. I think it's a problem the industry ove

by ehnto 5y ago

Exactly my thoughts! It's just an electric motor, it need not entangle my automobile in a web of SaaS interconnectivity. I think it's a problem the industry over, but EVs are particularly afflicted because they still serve the early adopters and technophiles. I'm liking the trend of high-tech unchained lately, I'm seeing more instances of really great technology being supplied and built with consumer freedom and portability in mind.

mixmastamyk 5y ago
Another problem is the ability to "refuel" with privacy as well. The fact that the charger identifies your car is a big no-no in my book. Also many/most? places demanding an account/credit card to pay.
- dylan604 5y ago
  >places demanding an account/credit card to pay. I'm with you on demanding an account. However, if you have self-serve chargers that you want to be available 24/7 while also being unmanned, accepting cash can be troublesome. I hate trying to get cash to be accepted by automated machines, as they have to have the bill in the perfect condition or they just spit it back out at you. Also, an unmanned kiosk accepting cash is just asking for security issues. Yes, it's just a reverse ATM, but if you can avoid it by not storing cash then so much the better for them.
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    >I'm with you on demanding an account. However, if you have self-serve chargers that you want to be available 24/7 while also being unmanned, accepting cash can be troublesome. Vending machines do just fine.
    - nitrogen 5y ago
      Vending machines usually don't have to deal with $50-$100 transactions though.
      - ehnto 5y ago
        Maybe one day an EV charge from grid fueled by renewables will be about as expensive as a can of cola.
        HWR_14 5y ago
        Given that right now ICE cars are refilling at a rate about as expensive as colas (on a per-gallon basis), it seems like could be true. Seems unlikely to be true with EVs for a long time however.
        dylan604 5y ago
        Create an engine that actually runs off of cola, and we'd be set!
        HWR_14 5y ago
        They have (had?) cars powered by compressed CO2 in India. Honestly, if they were available worldwide it seemed cool enough to buy one. Less efficient conversion of electricity to stored energy, but great if you don't worry about heat and more than made up for by the cheaper up front cost of the car (in money and in damage to the earth).
        amluto 5y ago
        At 10 cents per kWh, an EV costs $8-$10 to recharge (for an 80-100 kWh EV). So it’s more like an expensive beer. If you are charging many, many EVs, you can buy your own capacity, and you don’t need to worry about a grid, maybe you can pay the LCoE, which is about $31/MWh for solar, so that charge costs $3 and is more like a cheap beer at a bar. (At current US gas prices, that still makes the energy cost of an EV something like 1/3 that of a Prius and vastly cheaper than an average ICE car.)
    - dylan604 5y ago
      Except they're my main source of ire on not being able accept a bill. Also, modern vending machines are now accepting cards
  - mixmastamyk 5y ago
    Was thinking more of "gas" station type places, with the snacks and cashier. Personally, probably wouldn't charge much at mall parking garages and other places where this would make sense.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      There are gas stations that have 24/7 pumps availble while being otherwise totally closed. I was fortunate to have this be the case while driving through the desert. I was rushing home across country to get to a relative in the hospital, and in that mental state totally failed to check on fuel levels. When it finally occurred to me at 2am, the gauge was precariously low. After a few minutes I saw a station up ahead with no lights and totally closed. At that point I was preparing myself to sleep in the parking lot until they opened. To my luck, pay at the pump was available. Probably the most surreal fueling experience I've had, but totally saved my butt.
      - worik 5y ago
        Yes. And. There s a difference in the bank knowing you charged a car and the Elon knowing who charged which car. The first is necessary for making finance work, the second is necessary for getting more of your data into Elon's hands.
        deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
        dylan604 5y ago
        The very first sentence in my first reply was agreeing that the concept of requiring an account is was bad--in case you missed it or misunderstood. So, yes and your point is? thanks for playing
      - mixmastamyk 5y ago
        Ok, never seen one myself but glad they exist. Also, glad that gas purchased by credit-card is that thing that exists. Use it myself once in a while, when I choose. Here's the one and only part that is a problem --> requiring it. And by definition identity, time, date, location.
- namlem 5y ago
  Can't you just pay with a prepaid card?
  - mixmastamyk 5y ago
    Inconvenient but possibly. What about the other issues? Do we need charger condoms now as well? :D
    - Arrath 5y ago
      I expect a charger condom would unfortunately cut out useful charger control packets as well as identifying information. I would totally use one, otherwise.
  - throwawayapples 5y ago
    Those generally want ID in order to activate over the phone.

by ehnto 5y ago

mixmastamyk 5y ago

Another problem is the ability to "refuel" with privacy as well. The fact that the charger identifies your car is a big no-no in my book. Also many/most? places demanding an account/credit card to pay.

dylan604 5y ago
>places demanding an account/credit card to pay. I'm with you on demanding an account. However, if you have self-serve chargers that you want to be available 24/7 while also being unmanned, accepting cash can be troublesome. I hate trying to get cash to be accepted by automated machines, as they have to have the bill in the perfect condition or they just spit it back out at you. Also, an unmanned kiosk accepting cash is just asking for security issues. Yes, it's just a reverse ATM, but if you can avoid it by not storing cash then so much the better for them.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  >I'm with you on demanding an account. However, if you have self-serve chargers that you want to be available 24/7 while also being unmanned, accepting cash can be troublesome. Vending machines do just fine.
  - nitrogen 5y ago
    Vending machines usually don't have to deal with $50-$100 transactions though.
    - ehnto 5y ago
      Maybe one day an EV charge from grid fueled by renewables will be about as expensive as a can of cola.
      - HWR_14 5y ago
        Given that right now ICE cars are refilling at a rate about as expensive as colas (on a per-gallon basis), it seems like could be true. Seems unlikely to be true with EVs for a long time however.
        dylan604 5y ago
        Create an engine that actually runs off of cola, and we'd be set!
        HWR_14 5y ago
        They have (had?) cars powered by compressed CO2 in India. Honestly, if they were available worldwide it seemed cool enough to buy one. Less efficient conversion of electricity to stored energy, but great if you don't worry about heat and more than made up for by the cheaper up front cost of the car (in money and in damage to the earth).
      - amluto 5y ago
        At 10 cents per kWh, an EV costs $8-$10 to recharge (for an 80-100 kWh EV). So it’s more like an expensive beer. If you are charging many, many EVs, you can buy your own capacity, and you don’t need to worry about a grid, maybe you can pay the LCoE, which is about $31/MWh for solar, so that charge costs $3 and is more like a cheap beer at a bar. (At current US gas prices, that still makes the energy cost of an EV something like 1/3 that of a Prius and vastly cheaper than an average ICE car.)
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Except they're my main source of ire on not being able accept a bill. Also, modern vending machines are now accepting cards
- mixmastamyk 5y ago
  Was thinking more of "gas" station type places, with the snacks and cashier. Personally, probably wouldn't charge much at mall parking garages and other places where this would make sense.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    There are gas stations that have 24/7 pumps availble while being otherwise totally closed. I was fortunate to have this be the case while driving through the desert. I was rushing home across country to get to a relative in the hospital, and in that mental state totally failed to check on fuel levels. When it finally occurred to me at 2am, the gauge was precariously low. After a few minutes I saw a station up ahead with no lights and totally closed. At that point I was preparing myself to sleep in the parking lot until they opened. To my luck, pay at the pump was available. Probably the most surreal fueling experience I've had, but totally saved my butt.
    - worik 5y ago
      Yes. And. There s a difference in the bank knowing you charged a car and the Elon knowing who charged which car. The first is necessary for making finance work, the second is necessary for getting more of your data into Elon's hands.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
      - dylan604 5y ago
        The very first sentence in my first reply was agreeing that the concept of requiring an account is was bad--in case you missed it or misunderstood. So, yes and your point is? thanks for playing
    - mixmastamyk 5y ago
      Ok, never seen one myself but glad they exist. Also, glad that gas purchased by credit-card is that thing that exists. Use it myself once in a while, when I choose. Here's the one and only part that is a problem --> requiring it. And by definition identity, time, date, location.
namlem 5y ago
Can't you just pay with a prepaid card?
- mixmastamyk 5y ago
  Inconvenient but possibly. What about the other issues? Do we need charger condoms now as well? :D
  - Arrath 5y ago
    I expect a charger condom would unfortunately cut out useful charger control packets as well as identifying information. I would totally use one, otherwise.
- throwawayapples 5y ago
  Those generally want ID in order to activate over the phone.