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This indeed is true and I truly wish they made Vivaldi open source. However, free and open software is an ideal. Like any ideal, it can be used as a front and a

by kovac 5y ago

This indeed is true and I truly wish they made Vivaldi open source. However, free and open software is an ideal. Like any ideal, it can be used as a front and abused inna way that defeats its purpose. In its original form, free and open is noble. But since then, corporations have figured out how to monetise it. So, IMHO, we need to be very careful about anything free and open coming from corporations because their core objectives are very much orthogonal to the core objectives of the original free and open software movement. Those execs aren't the hackers who built the gnu/Linux tools in the early days.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
We need to be careful about free and open software and your solution is to use non free and closed source software because they can make money off open source software? This makes no logical sense.
- kovac 5y ago
  I'm not proposing any solutions. Just stating that a software with source open may not necessarily mean it's free and open in the sense it was originally intended. What one wants to do with it I think depends on one's own values. I use qutebrowser, vivaldi and brave (on mobile) and sometimes console based browsers when I can get away with it. Qutebrowser and Lynx are open source. Vivaldi and I think Brave aren't open source? I'm using them because I read about their team, their business model, their past and hung out in their forums and decided that I'd support them. Doesn't mean anyone else have to. And there's nothing wrong with making money off opensource software and that's how it was intended in the first place. Original open source software authors didn't mean that the software has to be free of charge. For me, I don't want to support an organisation that sacks the researchers of their core product but the execs pay themselves millions of dollars. Most of those dollars come from Google. I'm sorry that that makes no logical sense to you.

by kovac 5y ago

GhettoComputers 5y ago

We need to be careful about free and open software and your solution is to use non free and closed source software because they can make money off open source software? This makes no logical sense.

kovac 5y ago
I'm not proposing any solutions. Just stating that a software with source open may not necessarily mean it's free and open in the sense it was originally intended. What one wants to do with it I think depends on one's own values. I use qutebrowser, vivaldi and brave (on mobile) and sometimes console based browsers when I can get away with it. Qutebrowser and Lynx are open source. Vivaldi and I think Brave aren't open source? I'm using them because I read about their team, their business model, their past and hung out in their forums and decided that I'd support them. Doesn't mean anyone else have to. And there's nothing wrong with making money off opensource software and that's how it was intended in the first place. Original open source software authors didn't mean that the software has to be free of charge. For me, I don't want to support an organisation that sacks the researchers of their core product but the execs pay themselves millions of dollars. Most of those dollars come from Google. I'm sorry that that makes no logical sense to you.