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Congrats on your launch. Great to see more innovation in this space. Segment deserves some serious competition. -RudderStack team.

neximo64 5y ago
What is the difference with Jitsu and Rudderstack. Aware of both projects but keen to get your take.
- soumyadeb 5y ago
  Disclaimer: Haven't looked at Jitsu in depth so my understanding below may be limited. Reading through their comment below - "Jitsu can be used for any kind of data while Segment compatibility is just a thin layer on top". I am guessing they have built a generic event API that can be used to send any JSON payload while RudderStack (like Segment) has a opinionated view of events - e.g. there has to be a userID (or anonymousID), that ID is persisted in a cookie (for web), every event must include that userID. Furthermore, there are certain standard for event tracking for specific verticals which RudderStack supports (e.g eCommerce https://rudderstack.com/docs/rudderstack-api/api-specification/rudderstack-ecommerce-events-specification/ https://rudderstack.com/docs/rudderstack-api/api-specificati...) Having this opinionated view helps us map these events to all the 100s of destinations, otherwise, you cannot send any arbitrary JSON to these destinations. It also lets us build more post processing in the warehouse (e.g identity stitching, user sessions etc https://hub.getdbt.com/rudderlabs/ https://hub.getdbt.com/rudderlabs/, we are going to build more MLish applications like churn-models and release them too). On the other hand, it becomes hard to send generic events (e.g. application telemetry) via RudderStack which seems possible via Jitsu. With RudderStack, you would have to create hacky userID to tag on every event which doesn't make sense. In summary, go deep on one use case (customer-data) or wide as a generic event streaming platform. Beyond this, there are other feature differences (transformation, reverse-ETL etc) but that's not a fundamental difference imo. They are just getting started and are a much smaller team so that's expected. Impressive to see what they have built.
  - vklmn 5y ago
    We have suggested event structure (https://github.com/jitsucom/jitsu/blob/master/javascript-sdk/src/interface.d.ts#L221 https://github.com/jitsucom/jitsu/blob/master/javascript-sdk...). If you want to send data to destination, you should either follow suggested structure or write your own JavaScript mapping (https://jitsu.com/blog/javascript-transform https://jitsu.com/blog/javascript-transform). And we have DBT models too https://hub.getdbt.com/jitsucom/jitsu/latest/ https://hub.getdbt.com/jitsucom/jitsu/latest/ !
    - tomnipotent 5y ago
      Is that dbt project also doing the sessionization? I see this: jitsu_sessionization_trailing_window: 3 jitsu_session_inactivity_cutoff: 30 * 60 EDIT: No idea why valid reply from dev is marked dead, but thanks! Really, really cool that you're using dbt for this process.
      - absorbb 5y ago
        Hi! Ildar here, one of Jitsu's core engineers. Yep. That is exactly what it does.
      - dang 5y ago
        (New accounts are subject to extra restrictions and sometimes software kills their posts. We review those and try to find and unkill all the good ones, though it takes time and we do miss a few. I've marked absorbb's account legit now so this won't happen again.)

neximo64 5y ago

What is the difference with Jitsu and Rudderstack. Aware of both projects but keen to get your take.

soumyadeb 5y ago
Disclaimer: Haven't looked at Jitsu in depth so my understanding below may be limited. Reading through their comment below - "Jitsu can be used for any kind of data while Segment compatibility is just a thin layer on top". I am guessing they have built a generic event API that can be used to send any JSON payload while RudderStack (like Segment) has a opinionated view of events - e.g. there has to be a userID (or anonymousID), that ID is persisted in a cookie (for web), every event must include that userID. Furthermore, there are certain standard for event tracking for specific verticals which RudderStack supports (e.g eCommerce https://rudderstack.com/docs/rudderstack-api/api-specification/rudderstack-ecommerce-events-specification/ https://rudderstack.com/docs/rudderstack-api/api-specificati...) Having this opinionated view helps us map these events to all the 100s of destinations, otherwise, you cannot send any arbitrary JSON to these destinations. It also lets us build more post processing in the warehouse (e.g identity stitching, user sessions etc https://hub.getdbt.com/rudderlabs/ https://hub.getdbt.com/rudderlabs/, we are going to build more MLish applications like churn-models and release them too). On the other hand, it becomes hard to send generic events (e.g. application telemetry) via RudderStack which seems possible via Jitsu. With RudderStack, you would have to create hacky userID to tag on every event which doesn't make sense. In summary, go deep on one use case (customer-data) or wide as a generic event streaming platform. Beyond this, there are other feature differences (transformation, reverse-ETL etc) but that's not a fundamental difference imo. They are just getting started and are a much smaller team so that's expected. Impressive to see what they have built.
- vklmn 5y ago
  We have suggested event structure (https://github.com/jitsucom/jitsu/blob/master/javascript-sdk/src/interface.d.ts#L221 https://github.com/jitsucom/jitsu/blob/master/javascript-sdk...). If you want to send data to destination, you should either follow suggested structure or write your own JavaScript mapping (https://jitsu.com/blog/javascript-transform https://jitsu.com/blog/javascript-transform). And we have DBT models too https://hub.getdbt.com/jitsucom/jitsu/latest/ https://hub.getdbt.com/jitsucom/jitsu/latest/ !
  - tomnipotent 5y ago
    Is that dbt project also doing the sessionization? I see this: jitsu_sessionization_trailing_window: 3 jitsu_session_inactivity_cutoff: 30 * 60 EDIT: No idea why valid reply from dev is marked dead, but thanks! Really, really cool that you're using dbt for this process.
    - absorbb 5y ago
      Hi! Ildar here, one of Jitsu's core engineers. Yep. That is exactly what it does.
    - dang 5y ago
      (New accounts are subject to extra restrictions and sometimes software kills their posts. We review those and try to find and unkill all the good ones, though it takes time and we do miss a few. I've marked absorbb's account legit now so this won't happen again.)