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> they've lost sight of what running a sustainable business in this space would look like Is the claim that it is economically impossible to create a browser w
by _jal 5y ago
> they've lost sight of what running a sustainable business in this space would look like
Is the claim that it is economically impossible to create a browser without turning it in to surveillance malware?
To the extent that's true, it is the best argument yet for shutting down the web.
- _kulang 5y agoSomething I vehemently agree with
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y agoCan't drain the swamps if the goal is to have moats. Except if you go full-on Neo-Amish/Luddite and use [->] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol) or the remaining stuff which stays accessible via simple browsers like [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetSurf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetSurf , [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dillo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dillo , or textmode stuff like Lynx, (E)Links(2), W3M, and similar.
- ExtraE 5y agoI can’t tell if this is supposed to be serious, but just in case [1]. In case it is, really, shut down the web? What would that look like? Why would we do it? How? How can “browsers are expensive” possibly be worth doing something that extreme? [1] https://xkcd.com/1454/ https://xkcd.com/1454/
- nsonha 5y agoThe majority of the web should be standardized uniformed wizards. Then people can apply whatever the skin they want onto all of the web. We don't want to deal with all kinds of design that are hard to make, require crazy powerful browsers, and was asked for by no one anyway. Fancy UIs are made to slow people down in their tasks and draw attention to things that don't matter to what they want to do. Web developers and creative people like to think the web is their playground but really the most important role of the web should be delivering informations and services efficiently, and get the hell out the way.
- jfk13 5y agoAre you implying that Firefox is "surveillance malware"? Precisely what surveillance are you referring to? Telemetry isn't surveillance. Recommended content (e.g. on the default New Tab page) doesn't involve surveillance.
- wintermutestwin 5y ago>Are you implying that Firefox is "surveillance malware"? >Telemetry isn't surveillance. (honest question) Why is this necessary then: https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js
- detaro 5y agoWhy do you assume it's necessary? FWIW, I'd rate quite a bit of what it does as "not necessary".
- wintermutestwin 5y agoOn another thread, I was told: "Firefox is feeding your data to Google. You need to disable it in the user.js file"
- jfk13 5y agoOh, some random stranger on the Internet said so? That must be right, then.
- wintermutestwin 5y agoI was not proclaiming that it was a fact. I am openly frustrated and confused. An oft repeated claim is that "people just don't care about their privacy." I am moderately technical and I am totally unsure of how to keep my data from these parasite companies. Achieving privacy is incredibly arcane and confusing. Instead of quipping at me with a low value post, why don't you tell me exactly what Mozilla's telemetry does? Do you know?