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In terms of closed centralized services, I’d say Telegram is my top pick, followed by Signal. But I would take open source decentralized networks over them anyd

by EGreg 5y ago

In terms of closed centralized services, I’d say Telegram is my top pick, followed by Signal. But I would take open source decentralized networks over them anyday, and my favorite is Freenet, or the much newer network, MaidSAFE because it is the most secure thing I have ever seen (but that’s not mainstream yet).

fsflover 5y ago
How about Ricochet instant messenger or I2P?
- Snitch-Thursday 5y ago
  Think Ricochet got replaced by cwtch.im correct? At least the binaries I can find of Ricochet are super stale.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    https://www.ricochetrefresh.net/ https://www.ricochetrefresh.net/
kown7 5y ago
I don't see the allure of Telegram over anything; can you elaborate?
- hansel_der 5y ago
  it works very well on every device/os and can easily be extended
- EGreg 5y ago
  More user friendly Crypto that I trust more than Signal Far more documented and open (even though backend is not) Supports many clients
XorNot 5y ago
Telegram is not encrypted E2E by default at all.
- this_user 5y ago
  And the encryption they are offering is custom, which is always at least suspect.
  - EGreg 5y ago
    I actually trust it more to not have backdoors. Signal is written by the same guys who sold to Facebook, and although both Moxie and Pavel are anarchists, I trust the guys who were actually ousted from their own country and yes, rolled their own encryption (with bounties to break it) rather than use an officially approved one https://twitter.com/durov/status/872891017418113024?lang=en https://twitter.com/durov/status/872891017418113024?lang=en https://telegra.ph/Why-Using-WhatsApp-Is-Dangerous-01-30-4 https://telegra.ph/Why-Using-WhatsApp-Is-Dangerous-01-30-4 Besides - Moxie is kind of against decentralization, he thinks that by centralizing trust in a certain entity, things can be better. I am not convinced that such an approach leads to a better model for me to have encrypted communications: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21904469 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21904469 I like that Signal started using SGX though. It’s not ideal (now I have to trust Intel instead) but at least if you’re going to be running some code on a centralized service instead of byzantine consensus, let me know you aren’t backdooring it: https://medium.com/@maniacbolts/signal-increases-their-reliance-on-sgx-f46378f336d3 https://medium.com/@maniacbolts/signal-increases-their-relia...
- EGreg 5y ago
  I don’t need it encrypted BY DEFAULT. If I want to encrypt something, I can. It also means the chats aren’t available on other devices and you lose other capabilities
  - fsflover 5y ago
    > It also means the chats aren’t available on other devices Not, it doesn't. You would just need to copy the private key to the other devices.

by EGreg 5y ago

fsflover 5y ago

How about Ricochet instant messenger or I2P?

Snitch-Thursday 5y ago
Think Ricochet got replaced by cwtch.im correct? At least the binaries I can find of Ricochet are super stale.
- fsflover 5y ago
  https://www.ricochetrefresh.net/ https://www.ricochetrefresh.net/

kown7 5y ago

I don't see the allure of Telegram over anything; can you elaborate?

hansel_der 5y ago
it works very well on every device/os and can easily be extended
EGreg 5y ago
More user friendly Crypto that I trust more than Signal Far more documented and open (even though backend is not) Supports many clients

XorNot 5y ago

Telegram is not encrypted E2E by default at all.

this_user 5y ago
And the encryption they are offering is custom, which is always at least suspect.
- EGreg 5y ago
  I actually trust it more to not have backdoors. Signal is written by the same guys who sold to Facebook, and although both Moxie and Pavel are anarchists, I trust the guys who were actually ousted from their own country and yes, rolled their own encryption (with bounties to break it) rather than use an officially approved one https://twitter.com/durov/status/872891017418113024?lang=en https://twitter.com/durov/status/872891017418113024?lang=en https://telegra.ph/Why-Using-WhatsApp-Is-Dangerous-01-30-4 https://telegra.ph/Why-Using-WhatsApp-Is-Dangerous-01-30-4 Besides - Moxie is kind of against decentralization, he thinks that by centralizing trust in a certain entity, things can be better. I am not convinced that such an approach leads to a better model for me to have encrypted communications: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21904469 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21904469 I like that Signal started using SGX though. It’s not ideal (now I have to trust Intel instead) but at least if you’re going to be running some code on a centralized service instead of byzantine consensus, let me know you aren’t backdooring it: https://medium.com/@maniacbolts/signal-increases-their-reliance-on-sgx-f46378f336d3 https://medium.com/@maniacbolts/signal-increases-their-relia...
EGreg 5y ago
I don’t need it encrypted BY DEFAULT. If I want to encrypt something, I can. It also means the chats aren’t available on other devices and you lose other capabilities
- fsflover 5y ago
  > It also means the chats aren’t available on other devices Not, it doesn't. You would just need to copy the private key to the other devices.