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Is there a better alternative that meets the following constraints: * standards based: i.e. it has demonstrated commitment to openness and universality * mult

Is there a better alternative that meets the following constraints: * standards based: i.e. it has demonstrated commitment to openness and universality * multi stakeholder: i.e. it has momentum * can self host: i.e. power can reside with communities * has clients that support encrypted video chat: i.e. I can use it today. XMPP does that.

gefhfff 5y ago
Matrix
- zaik 5y ago
  Why should I use Matrix over XMPP? All the problems mentioned in this article also apply to Matrix.
  - gefhfff 5y ago
    Matrix has introduced some really neat innovations compared to XMPP: - decentralized conversations instead of centralized ones - MEGOLM - Cross Signing - monolithic protocol (i.e. one true way of doing things officially) - easy sync of (encrypted) history between sessions These are reasons why people use Matrix and not because of misinformation about how private it is Also: afaik not everything applies to Matrix, e.g. a widely used server logging passwords or a server being able to manipulate chat rooms that extensively
    - zaik 5y ago
      MEGOLM seems to be encrypted group chat. OMEMO already provides that. Cross signing OMEMO keys would be nice indeed. Not sure what a session is or why it needs sync. XMPP is decentralized, maybe even more than Matrix, since almost everyone uses the official server matrix.org. I'm not sure if all of this is reason enough to switch to an non-standard protocol, fragmenting the small space of open IM protocols even further. It would be better to implement those features using existing Internet Standards.
      - gefhfff 5y ago
        > MEGOLM seems to be encrypted group chat. OMEMO already provides that. No, OMEMO is rather comparable to OLM. MEGOLM is a layer on top of that. > Not sure what a session is or why it needs sync. When you log in (on phone, browser, ...) you create a session > XMPP is decentralized, maybe even more than Matrix, Certainly not technology wise > since almost everyone uses the official server matrix.org. Less than a third > It would be better to implement those features using existing Internet Standards In your opinion. The success of Matrix today is enough for me to distance myself from purely idealistic views

gefhfff 5y ago

Matrix

zaik 5y ago
Why should I use Matrix over XMPP? All the problems mentioned in this article also apply to Matrix.
- gefhfff 5y ago
  Matrix has introduced some really neat innovations compared to XMPP: - decentralized conversations instead of centralized ones - MEGOLM - Cross Signing - monolithic protocol (i.e. one true way of doing things officially) - easy sync of (encrypted) history between sessions These are reasons why people use Matrix and not because of misinformation about how private it is Also: afaik not everything applies to Matrix, e.g. a widely used server logging passwords or a server being able to manipulate chat rooms that extensively
  - zaik 5y ago
    MEGOLM seems to be encrypted group chat. OMEMO already provides that. Cross signing OMEMO keys would be nice indeed. Not sure what a session is or why it needs sync. XMPP is decentralized, maybe even more than Matrix, since almost everyone uses the official server matrix.org. I'm not sure if all of this is reason enough to switch to an non-standard protocol, fragmenting the small space of open IM protocols even further. It would be better to implement those features using existing Internet Standards.
    - gefhfff 5y ago
      > MEGOLM seems to be encrypted group chat. OMEMO already provides that. No, OMEMO is rather comparable to OLM. MEGOLM is a layer on top of that. > Not sure what a session is or why it needs sync. When you log in (on phone, browser, ...) you create a session > XMPP is decentralized, maybe even more than Matrix, Certainly not technology wise > since almost everyone uses the official server matrix.org. Less than a third > It would be better to implement those features using existing Internet Standards In your opinion. The success of Matrix today is enough for me to distance myself from purely idealistic views