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Please do not undo charitable interpretations. I intentionally put the phrase "I think" in that comment so it was clear that it was my opinion. I don't know how

by md8z 5y ago

Please do not undo charitable interpretations. I intentionally put the phrase "I think" in that comment so it was clear that it was my opinion. I don't know how to make it any clearer than that, it is a thought that I had. It is not some kind of universal truth. What else do you need from me? Edit: If you'll notice I also used the phrase "my opinions" farther down in that post...

laumars 5y ago
You seem a nice guy and this is clearly a passionate topic for you, I just don’t understand why you’d fail to consider that tiling WMs might work for other people despite their short comings for you personally. Maybe those people have different workflows and needs to yourself. Maybe they enjoy the mental model of tiling so much that these showstopper issues you describe don’t even amount to minor annoyances for others. Or maybe you’re looking at this from too much of a purist perspective and missing the benefits of a tiling-first but ultimately still dynamic WM. If there is one thing I’ve learned in my life, it’s that things which seem like insane choices to me are often quite reasonable for other people.
- md8z 5y ago
  Well I said this earlier but this is not specifically about my personal experience with shortcomings, although that was an influence. I have heard many of the same issues coming from large numbers of other people, and I think there is a reluctance to really own up to it because of some kind of fascination with this "romantic" idea of how a keyboard interface is supposed to be. It's like, people get that idea in their head that's what they want and they can't let it go, and then it becomes a game of sunk cost fallacy. Of course that is not new or even all that uncommon in open source but I think it's irresponsible to not point it out when I personally see it. "a tiling-first but ultimately still dynamic WM" In my opinion, these are all bad hacks that are made worse by being tiling first. In some ways I would actually consider these worse than a pure tiling window manager, because they tend to not focus on any particular way of doing things and so it becomes a pastiche of concepts that are not really compatible.

by md8z 5y ago

laumars 5y ago

You seem a nice guy and this is clearly a passionate topic for you, I just don’t understand why you’d fail to consider that tiling WMs might work for other people despite their short comings for you personally. Maybe those people have different workflows and needs to yourself. Maybe they enjoy the mental model of tiling so much that these showstopper issues you describe don’t even amount to minor annoyances for others. Or maybe you’re looking at this from too much of a purist perspective and missing the benefits of a tiling-first but ultimately still dynamic WM. If there is one thing I’ve learned in my life, it’s that things which seem like insane choices to me are often quite reasonable for other people.

md8z 5y ago
Well I said this earlier but this is not specifically about my personal experience with shortcomings, although that was an influence. I have heard many of the same issues coming from large numbers of other people, and I think there is a reluctance to really own up to it because of some kind of fascination with this "romantic" idea of how a keyboard interface is supposed to be. It's like, people get that idea in their head that's what they want and they can't let it go, and then it becomes a game of sunk cost fallacy. Of course that is not new or even all that uncommon in open source but I think it's irresponsible to not point it out when I personally see it. "a tiling-first but ultimately still dynamic WM" In my opinion, these are all bad hacks that are made worse by being tiling first. In some ways I would actually consider these worse than a pure tiling window manager, because they tend to not focus on any particular way of doing things and so it becomes a pastiche of concepts that are not really compatible.