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1. There is no single design for “tiling window manager”. Some uses lists, trees, manual tiling… All can be inadequate. 2. The “tiling” part is no longer the on

1. There is no single design for “tiling window manager”. Some uses lists, trees, manual tiling… All can be inadequate. 2. The “tiling” part is no longer the only feature, most have floating modes, automation interfaces, … 3. Bugs happen everywhere.

md8z 5y ago
For 1, all of them are inadequate in the same way, because tiling is just not adequate for most use cases. Most desktop apps are not designed for tiling, and the few that work well with it, also work just fine with another system. For 2, if you have to use all those other features, I think that defeats the purpose of it. I can't count the number of configurations I've seen that float the majority of windows. What is the point? I ask people about this and they know it's bad but they just keep on going with it, it's like nobody wants to actually admit it's a problem. I'm sorry if I'm getting worked up about this but it's really frustrating to keep having this same type of conversation over and over again where nobody actually wants to fix any problems. For 3, See above, there are specific bugs here that don't need to exist and could actually be fixed, quite easily I might add, but are purposefully being ignored because people expect it to be that way as part of the design. To me, that's pretty inefficient, and if it can be improved, I'm going to keep calling it out because I think people deserve the help. Maybe that's my character flaw, I don't know.
- laumars 5y ago
  Maybe channel that energy into fixing those bugs yourself? Or writing your own WM. That’s what I did.
  - md8z 5y ago
    I have already done that for quite a long time, that doesn't fix the problem, that just makes it so there is yet another half-assed and broken WM to add to the pile. Or should I say, graveyard, because so many of them have come and gone over the years... Sorry to be blunt but that is another myth that I see going around in open source communities, that the way to fix anything and everything is to just sit down and write more code and try to close as many github issues as possible however you can. It's not. That only gets you so far and in a lot of cases it can make things worse.
    - laumars 5y ago
      You’re the one who said there are bugs to be fixed. I’m literally just reacting to your own statements. If you think it’s a myth then don’t introduce it as a cornerstone of your own rant to begin with.
      - md8z 5y ago
        Ok I see what you're saying. Sorry for the misunderstanding: the bugs here can't realistically be fixed. They keep popping up over and over again and they will for as long as the design stays flawed. It is the design that needs to be "bug fixed" if that makes sense. I am not talking about any myths in relation to that, although there are several others I could name after reading various github comments...
- spurgu 5y ago
  > Most desktop apps are not designed for tiling I'd say this is the issue, not that of tiling managers themselves.

md8z 5y ago

For 1, all of them are inadequate in the same way, because tiling is just not adequate for most use cases. Most desktop apps are not designed for tiling, and the few that work well with it, also work just fine with another system. For 2, if you have to use all those other features, I think that defeats the purpose of it. I can't count the number of configurations I've seen that float the majority of windows. What is the point? I ask people about this and they know it's bad but they just keep on going with it, it's like nobody wants to actually admit it's a problem. I'm sorry if I'm getting worked up about this but it's really frustrating to keep having this same type of conversation over and over again where nobody actually wants to fix any problems. For 3, See above, there are specific bugs here that don't need to exist and could actually be fixed, quite easily I might add, but are purposefully being ignored because people expect it to be that way as part of the design. To me, that's pretty inefficient, and if it can be improved, I'm going to keep calling it out because I think people deserve the help. Maybe that's my character flaw, I don't know.

laumars 5y ago
Maybe channel that energy into fixing those bugs yourself? Or writing your own WM. That’s what I did.
- md8z 5y ago
  I have already done that for quite a long time, that doesn't fix the problem, that just makes it so there is yet another half-assed and broken WM to add to the pile. Or should I say, graveyard, because so many of them have come and gone over the years... Sorry to be blunt but that is another myth that I see going around in open source communities, that the way to fix anything and everything is to just sit down and write more code and try to close as many github issues as possible however you can. It's not. That only gets you so far and in a lot of cases it can make things worse.
  - laumars 5y ago
    You’re the one who said there are bugs to be fixed. I’m literally just reacting to your own statements. If you think it’s a myth then don’t introduce it as a cornerstone of your own rant to begin with.
    - md8z 5y ago
      Ok I see what you're saying. Sorry for the misunderstanding: the bugs here can't realistically be fixed. They keep popping up over and over again and they will for as long as the design stays flawed. It is the design that needs to be "bug fixed" if that makes sense. I am not talking about any myths in relation to that, although there are several others I could name after reading various github comments...
spurgu 5y ago
> Most desktop apps are not designed for tiling I'd say this is the issue, not that of tiling managers themselves.