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While i think most of this is sensationalist, there are a couple valid crtiques here. More interesting IMO is this cease and desist letter they have sent. That

by jjcon 5y ago

While i think most of this is sensationalist, there are a couple valid crtiques here. More interesting IMO is this cease and desist letter they have sent. That surprises me.

woodruffw 5y ago
> More interesting IMO is this cease and desist letter they have sent. A C&D letter is not itself evidence of anything. Most companies will send you one if you make egregious claims about their business.
- smsm42 5y ago
  They didn't send it to the author. They sent it to their domain host to try and shut them down and dox them.
- jjcon 5y ago
  >A C&D letter is not itself evidence of anything. I didn't mean to suggest it was. It is still surprisingly hostile/corporate behavior from a company that markets itself as an anti-authoritarian actor.
  - blitzar 5y ago
    If I sent an email to every person you work with claiming that you are a pedofile, based on my extensive research with proof to back it up, would you think it is hostile to ask me to stop?
- TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
  They could, you know, just ignore it and get on with life. There’s no reason to defend itself against every claim made on the Internet but any yahoo. Instead, they are choosing to aggressively silence the author. That raises eyebrows.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    > Instead, they are choosing to aggressively silence the author. That raises eyebrows. Somewhere along the road, we've gone and conflated "someone sends you a scary letter" with "I'm being silenced." The author is clearly anonymous and apparently (correctly) scoffs at the letter, so it feels like a distortion to call this "aggressive silenc[ing]."
    - TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
      “Attempting to aggressively silence.” What do you think will happen once they get his personal info? Do you think they’ll invite him to dinner and try to persuade him over a bottle of wine to change his article?
      - woodruffw 5y ago
        I assume they'll seek the most favorable recourse permitted to them by courts of law, which is precisely how it's supposed to work. Where's the problem? (Of course, this is all very abstract. The person who runs this site claims to live in Ukraine, so there is probably no meaningful legal recourse available to ProtonMail. Which brings us back to "aggressively silence" being a grand overstatement.)
        TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
        > Where's the problem? Taking issue with the article in the first place.
        woodruffw 5y ago
        But the “article” (it’s a blog post) contains material falsehoods. Unless there’s some philosophical divide that I’m missing here, there seems to be something fundamentally very reasonable about the legal threat here.

by jjcon 5y ago

While i think most of this is sensationalist, there are a couple valid crtiques here. More interesting IMO is this cease and desist letter they have sent. That surprises me.

woodruffw 5y ago

> More interesting IMO is this cease and desist letter they have sent. A C&D letter is not itself evidence of anything. Most companies will send you one if you make egregious claims about their business.

smsm42 5y ago
They didn't send it to the author. They sent it to their domain host to try and shut them down and dox them.
jjcon 5y ago
>A C&D letter is not itself evidence of anything. I didn't mean to suggest it was. It is still surprisingly hostile/corporate behavior from a company that markets itself as an anti-authoritarian actor.
- blitzar 5y ago
  If I sent an email to every person you work with claiming that you are a pedofile, based on my extensive research with proof to back it up, would you think it is hostile to ask me to stop?
TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
They could, you know, just ignore it and get on with life. There’s no reason to defend itself against every claim made on the Internet but any yahoo. Instead, they are choosing to aggressively silence the author. That raises eyebrows.
- woodruffw 5y ago
  > Instead, they are choosing to aggressively silence the author. That raises eyebrows. Somewhere along the road, we've gone and conflated "someone sends you a scary letter" with "I'm being silenced." The author is clearly anonymous and apparently (correctly) scoffs at the letter, so it feels like a distortion to call this "aggressive silenc[ing]."
  - TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
    “Attempting to aggressively silence.” What do you think will happen once they get his personal info? Do you think they’ll invite him to dinner and try to persuade him over a bottle of wine to change his article?
    - woodruffw 5y ago
      I assume they'll seek the most favorable recourse permitted to them by courts of law, which is precisely how it's supposed to work. Where's the problem? (Of course, this is all very abstract. The person who runs this site claims to live in Ukraine, so there is probably no meaningful legal recourse available to ProtonMail. Which brings us back to "aggressively silence" being a grand overstatement.)
      - TedDoesntTalk 5y ago
        > Where's the problem? Taking issue with the article in the first place.
        woodruffw 5y ago
        But the “article” (it’s a blog post) contains material falsehoods. Unless there’s some philosophical divide that I’m missing here, there seems to be something fundamentally very reasonable about the legal threat here.