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Again, you can't seem to point me at anyone telling white schoolboys they are oppressors. Public schooling, one of the few institutions that actually values an

Again, you can't seem to point me at anyone telling white schoolboys they are oppressors. Public schooling, one of the few institutions that actually values and reaches Appalachian folks[1], has been under attack by exactly the forces behind the latest "critical race theory" boogeyman. If you actually gave a damn about folks in poverty you wouldn't be shilling for the latest fad attack on schools, the list of which you've nicely outlined. 1. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/06/us/west-virginia-teachers-strike-deal.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/06/us/west-virginia-teachers...

twofornone 5y ago
What do you want, a source that literally uses the term "oppression"? Does CRT not posit that all inequities in our society are a result of white supremacist oppression? Is the point of privilege not to imply that those who have it must forgo equal treatment in order to correct for historical oppression? And if white boys fail to do enough to combat this white supremacist, oppressive system, is the implication not that they are furthering this supposed oppression? >the latest "critical race theory" boogeyman. First, I don't know how else to repeat this, the fact that young white boys are being singled out for their race and shamed into atoning for their privilege is emphatically not a boogeyman. It's happening. Second, being opposed to racist doctrine being taught in schools to children is not equivalent to attacking public schooling in general. Maybe public schools are under attack because CRT inspired doctrine is offensive to parents of white males, when it does not even allow debate over the premise that all social inequities stem from white male racism, aka oppression. This is not the way to end racism, it will only breed reactionary white supremacy. Again, if you are accusing white boys of inheriting privilege from an oppressive white supremacist system then you are obviously implying that if they do not actively work against this system, they are acting as oppressors. Your argument is disingenuous. But at least we've seemingly moved past the lie that "CRT isn't being taught in schools".
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  > Does CRT not posit that all inequities in our society are a result of white supremacist oppression? No…
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  > Does CRT not posit that all inequities in our society are a result of white supremacist oppression? No, it does not. > Maybe public schools are under attack because CRT inspired doctrine is offensive to parents of white males Public schools have been under attack by conservatives since they were first created. > Again, if you are accusing white boys of inheriting privilege from an oppressive white supremacist system then you are obviously implying that if they do not actively work against this system, they are acting as oppressors. No, they are participating in an oppressive system. If they were not aware of its oppressive nature, it would be hard to fault them. The purpose of efforts to introduce a more honest educational overview of our country's history with racism (which, btw, is not CRT) is primarily so that more of our citizens will understand clearly how things have been and to some extent are. Given such an understanding, it would not be quite so easy to simply brush off "mindless participation", but it also doesn't necessarily dictate what should follow instead. Kendi's maxim that if you're not an anti-racist then you're a racist is an unfortunate distilling of a really quite deep and profound point that his book(s) make much more subtly and convincingly than this oft-quoted glib phrase.
  - twofornone 5y ago
    >CRT scholars view race and white supremacy as an intersectional social construct[7] that advances the interests of white people[11] at the expense of persons of other races I feel like you're playing a game of sophistry when you try to suggest that this isn't equivalent to blaming inequities on white supremacy. And when all of the outreach efforts are almost exclusively aimed at white people, when all of the "dismantling" comes almost exclusively in the form of shaming or forcing whites to abdicate power that is claimed to be unearned, then it doesn't matter how cleverly CRT is defined in polite conversation; in practice it's dishonest to suggest that white supremacy is the problem, white people are the practicioners, white people must effectively pay the price (by ceding their "privilege"), but somehow CRT isn't actually about blaming white people for racism. It's also telling (and convenient) that all of this talk of racism falls exclusively into the category of white on minority racism, lending credence to the vicious lie that only white people can be racist. And for some reason the loudest voices in the field (e.g. deangelo, kendi) explicitly and solely demonize white people and white culture. It doesn't matter how carefully you attempt to deflect from what CRT "really is" when it is so trivially and ubiquitously weaponized against whites in a petty, revenge seeking powergrab. When it is only white men who are expected to attend Kafkaesque reeducation seminars and apologize for their "whiteness". There is no excuse, no suitable apologism, no clever deflection that can hide what CRT is in theory, because there is always one inevitable application in practice, and this blatant, toxic anti white sentiment is fundamentally the essence of CRT. And that is why it has no business influencing what children are learning in school.

twofornone 5y ago

What do you want, a source that literally uses the term "oppression"? Does CRT not posit that all inequities in our society are a result of white supremacist oppression? Is the point of privilege not to imply that those who have it must forgo equal treatment in order to correct for historical oppression? And if white boys fail to do enough to combat this white supremacist, oppressive system, is the implication not that they are furthering this supposed oppression? >the latest "critical race theory" boogeyman. First, I don't know how else to repeat this, the fact that young white boys are being singled out for their race and shamed into atoning for their privilege is emphatically not a boogeyman. It's happening. Second, being opposed to racist doctrine being taught in schools to children is not equivalent to attacking public schooling in general. Maybe public schools are under attack because CRT inspired doctrine is offensive to parents of white males, when it does not even allow debate over the premise that all social inequities stem from white male racism, aka oppression. This is not the way to end racism, it will only breed reactionary white supremacy. Again, if you are accusing white boys of inheriting privilege from an oppressive white supremacist system then you are obviously implying that if they do not actively work against this system, they are acting as oppressors. Your argument is disingenuous. But at least we've seemingly moved past the lie that "CRT isn't being taught in schools".

skinnymuch 5y ago
> Does CRT not posit that all inequities in our society are a result of white supremacist oppression? No…
PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
> Does CRT not posit that all inequities in our society are a result of white supremacist oppression? No, it does not. > Maybe public schools are under attack because CRT inspired doctrine is offensive to parents of white males Public schools have been under attack by conservatives since they were first created. > Again, if you are accusing white boys of inheriting privilege from an oppressive white supremacist system then you are obviously implying that if they do not actively work against this system, they are acting as oppressors. No, they are participating in an oppressive system. If they were not aware of its oppressive nature, it would be hard to fault them. The purpose of efforts to introduce a more honest educational overview of our country's history with racism (which, btw, is not CRT) is primarily so that more of our citizens will understand clearly how things have been and to some extent are. Given such an understanding, it would not be quite so easy to simply brush off "mindless participation", but it also doesn't necessarily dictate what should follow instead. Kendi's maxim that if you're not an anti-racist then you're a racist is an unfortunate distilling of a really quite deep and profound point that his book(s) make much more subtly and convincingly than this oft-quoted glib phrase.
- twofornone 5y ago
  >CRT scholars view race and white supremacy as an intersectional social construct[7] that advances the interests of white people[11] at the expense of persons of other races I feel like you're playing a game of sophistry when you try to suggest that this isn't equivalent to blaming inequities on white supremacy. And when all of the outreach efforts are almost exclusively aimed at white people, when all of the "dismantling" comes almost exclusively in the form of shaming or forcing whites to abdicate power that is claimed to be unearned, then it doesn't matter how cleverly CRT is defined in polite conversation; in practice it's dishonest to suggest that white supremacy is the problem, white people are the practicioners, white people must effectively pay the price (by ceding their "privilege"), but somehow CRT isn't actually about blaming white people for racism. It's also telling (and convenient) that all of this talk of racism falls exclusively into the category of white on minority racism, lending credence to the vicious lie that only white people can be racist. And for some reason the loudest voices in the field (e.g. deangelo, kendi) explicitly and solely demonize white people and white culture. It doesn't matter how carefully you attempt to deflect from what CRT "really is" when it is so trivially and ubiquitously weaponized against whites in a petty, revenge seeking powergrab. When it is only white men who are expected to attend Kafkaesque reeducation seminars and apologize for their "whiteness". There is no excuse, no suitable apologism, no clever deflection that can hide what CRT is in theory, because there is always one inevitable application in practice, and this blatant, toxic anti white sentiment is fundamentally the essence of CRT. And that is why it has no business influencing what children are learning in school.