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You don't know what's going on in schools? Or have you just internalized this oppression narrative so much that you don't think there is any reason to oppose it

by rsj_hn 5y ago

You don't know what's going on in schools? Or have you just internalized this oppression narrative so much that you don't think there is any reason to oppose it? "Teachers who had light skin were placed into a “white caucus” group and asked to “remember” that we are “White” and “to take responsibility for [our] power and privilege.” D-E’s racial segregation of educators, aimed at leading us to rethink of ourselves as oppressors, was regressive and demeaning to us as individuals with our own moral compass and human agency."[1] Really this leaked out during the pandemic when schools went to zoom and parents saw what their kids were being taught. That is what created the outrage. Check out some of the data gathered by concerned parents and other whistleblowers: [1] https://www.fairforall.org/profiles-in-courage/dwight-englewood-whistleblower/ https://www.fairforall.org/profiles-in-courage/dwight-englew... https://ctmirror.org/2021/09/23/ct-educators-share-what-is-being-taught-in-their-classrooms-amid-growing-outrage-about-critical-race-theory/ https://ctmirror.org/2021/09/23/ct-educators-share-what-is-b... https://www.momsforliberty.org/ https://www.momsforliberty.org/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9490203/Parent-57-000-year-NYC-school-fired-teacher-criticizes-Critical-Race-Theory-lessons.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9490203/Parent-57-0... Here is testimony from dissident teachers complaining that they are being forced to teach this social justice narrative and that they are being policed even in their personal lives and private communication, complaining about the climate of fear and authoritarianism: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-pushes-back-against-k-12-critical-race-theory-indoctrination/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-p... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJBlgIA3K24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJBlgIA3K24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrOl2OFdcR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrOl2OFdcR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udc1gLW8u6g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udc1gLW8u6g

omegaworks 5y ago
The whole charade falls apart when you actually read what is being passed off as controversial "Critical Race Theory." The CT Mirror article mentions schools are doing utterly banal things like actually discussing Reconstruction and including more diverse authors in their reading lists. As for the Moms For Liberty, just look at the books they're trying to ban: "'Martin Luther King Jr. and the March on Washington' and 'The Story of Ruby Bridges,' about the Black 6-year-old who integrated a Louisiana public school in 1960."[1] What is threatening about Ruby Bridges and MLK? Your DailyMail link doesn't even provide a concrete example of what the school is doing. Just cites a bunch of right-wing grifters and context-free snippets from a pamphlet. As for your YouTube links, it's unsurprising that people are posting exactly the content that the algorithm prioritizes[2]. Make sure to Like and Subscribe! 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/critical-race-theory-roils-tennessee-school-district-2021-09-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/critical-race-theory-roils-... 2. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/01/29/276000/a-study-of-youtube-comments-shows-how-its-turning-people-onto-the-alt-right/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/01/29/276000/a-study-o...
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  So you discount the testimony of teachers because youtube has an algorithm, and you discount the oppression narrative quotes because you label the source as "astroturf" and you discount the actual school materials leaked by whistleblowers because -- oh that one was ignored. Look, I get the strategy of smearing whoever provides information as a way of ignoring the provided data. I just don't understand why you think this strategy is a legitimate form of debate -- it's not.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    The only strategy that was engaged in there was (a) the time honored HN tradition of noting that the plural of anecdote is not data and (b) noting that there's nearly always more context to any leaked document or covertly recorded video, and the context frequently doesn't line up with what the party pushing the material is trying to say.

by rsj_hn 5y ago

omegaworks 5y ago

The whole charade falls apart when you actually read what is being passed off as controversial "Critical Race Theory." The CT Mirror article mentions schools are doing utterly banal things like actually discussing Reconstruction and including more diverse authors in their reading lists. As for the Moms For Liberty, just look at the books they're trying to ban: "'Martin Luther King Jr. and the March on Washington' and 'The Story of Ruby Bridges,' about the Black 6-year-old who integrated a Louisiana public school in 1960."[1] What is threatening about Ruby Bridges and MLK? Your DailyMail link doesn't even provide a concrete example of what the school is doing. Just cites a bunch of right-wing grifters and context-free snippets from a pamphlet. As for your YouTube links, it's unsurprising that people are posting exactly the content that the algorithm prioritizes[2]. Make sure to Like and Subscribe! 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/critical-race-theory-roils-tennessee-school-district-2021-09-21/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/critical-race-theory-roils-... 2. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/01/29/276000/a-study-of-youtube-comments-shows-how-its-turning-people-onto-the-alt-right/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/01/29/276000/a-study-o...

rsj_hn 5y ago
So you discount the testimony of teachers because youtube has an algorithm, and you discount the oppression narrative quotes because you label the source as "astroturf" and you discount the actual school materials leaked by whistleblowers because -- oh that one was ignored. Look, I get the strategy of smearing whoever provides information as a way of ignoring the provided data. I just don't understand why you think this strategy is a legitimate form of debate -- it's not.
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  The only strategy that was engaged in there was (a) the time honored HN tradition of noting that the plural of anecdote is not data and (b) noting that there's nearly always more context to any leaked document or covertly recorded video, and the context frequently doesn't line up with what the party pushing the material is trying to say.