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No doctor/hospital is going to harvest organs unless the person is warm and dead and all reasonable means of revival have been already tried. Also even if revi

No doctor/hospital is going to harvest organs unless the person is warm and dead and all reasonable means of revival have been already tried. Also even if revied would you even want to ? While anna as an exception didn't suffer from brain damage , it is likely, and even she had long term issues with nerve function paralysis etc. Anna and other similar cases are a extreme rarity. policy shouldn't be made basis a one in a million chance, that's why we have vaccines enforced for example. You can always opt-out or not opt-in depending in on jurisdiction I am sure. There are plenty of people who opt for cryogenic storage after they die in the hope technology will evolve to revive them. That's natural step to this argument in a way , what if I could be revived some day even if not today ? Ultimately handling life and death are intensely personal choices.

generalizations 5y ago
> No doctor/hospital is going to harvest organs unless the person is warm and dead Well, that's the thing. "warm and dead" is above and beyond the criteria you referenced earlier, "clinical death". I'd hope you're right, but I'm not convinced you are. It doesn't seem like it from what I've seen. And, the cooling factor in brain damage prevention is becoming more widely known these days. Anna wasn't just a fluke.
- robbiep 5y ago
  What have you seen?
  - generalizations 5y ago
    That Wikipedia article, which gives a definition of clinical death, and then talks about how clinical death is survivable. According to that article, clinical death != warm and dead.
    - robbiep 5y ago
      So on the basis of a Wikipedia article and with no further research, you’re now concerned people are harvesting organs when a person could potentially survive? [0] is the Australian College of Intensive Care guidelines on organ harvesting. There are strict criteria around when a person is considered dead and for organ donation that means brain death. I’m not sure what you’re worried about, this was easily discoverable - clinical death is not the criteria that is used for the determination of organ donation eligibility [0] https://csds.qld.edu.au/sdc/Provectus/ELI/Module%202%20-%20Organ%20donation%20after%20brain%20death/files/ANZICS%20Statement%20on%20%20Death%20and%20Organ%20Donation%20Edition%203.2%20(3).pdf https://csds.qld.edu.au/sdc/Provectus/ELI/Module%202%20-%20O...
      - generalizations 5y ago
        > So on the basis of a Wikipedia article and with no further research, you’re now concerned people are harvesting organs when a person could potentially survive? No, I'm asking a question and having a discussion, and you decided to jump in with your hostile skepticism that's completely unwarranted. Chill out.
        robbiep 5y ago
        If you re read your comments, there is a tone of ‘they’re up to something and it can’t be good’. It’s as far from ‘I’m interested in this topic and would like to have a discussion to learn more’ as a QAnon follower is from a PhD student. I’m not the only one who picked up on it as you can see by the other commenter.
        generalizations 5y ago
        > there is a tone of ‘they’re up to something and it can’t be good’ No, there's a tone of 'exactly how dead is dead'. If you look at the other commenter, sometimes doctors jump the gun. > far from ‘I’m interested in this topic and would like to have a discussion to learn more’ as a QAnon follower is from a PhD student Congrats, you've managed to drag in completely unrelated politics. You're assuming the worst of me. You're comparing me to a Qanon follower, apparently. You're giving (unfounded) credit to a commenter who called me a 'covid vaccine denier'. Seems like you're implying that I'm not acting in good faith. It's like you're looking for people that fit your preconceptions, and shoehorning me into it. That's prejudice, plain and simple. Chill out.
- pnutjam 5y ago
  Tell me your a covid vaccine denier without telling me your a covid vaccine denier.

generalizations 5y ago

> No doctor/hospital is going to harvest organs unless the person is warm and dead Well, that's the thing. "warm and dead" is above and beyond the criteria you referenced earlier, "clinical death". I'd hope you're right, but I'm not convinced you are. It doesn't seem like it from what I've seen. And, the cooling factor in brain damage prevention is becoming more widely known these days. Anna wasn't just a fluke.

robbiep 5y ago
What have you seen?
- generalizations 5y ago
  That Wikipedia article, which gives a definition of clinical death, and then talks about how clinical death is survivable. According to that article, clinical death != warm and dead.
  - robbiep 5y ago
    So on the basis of a Wikipedia article and with no further research, you’re now concerned people are harvesting organs when a person could potentially survive? [0] is the Australian College of Intensive Care guidelines on organ harvesting. There are strict criteria around when a person is considered dead and for organ donation that means brain death. I’m not sure what you’re worried about, this was easily discoverable - clinical death is not the criteria that is used for the determination of organ donation eligibility [0] https://csds.qld.edu.au/sdc/Provectus/ELI/Module%202%20-%20Organ%20donation%20after%20brain%20death/files/ANZICS%20Statement%20on%20%20Death%20and%20Organ%20Donation%20Edition%203.2%20(3).pdf https://csds.qld.edu.au/sdc/Provectus/ELI/Module%202%20-%20O...
    - generalizations 5y ago
      > So on the basis of a Wikipedia article and with no further research, you’re now concerned people are harvesting organs when a person could potentially survive? No, I'm asking a question and having a discussion, and you decided to jump in with your hostile skepticism that's completely unwarranted. Chill out.
      - robbiep 5y ago
        If you re read your comments, there is a tone of ‘they’re up to something and it can’t be good’. It’s as far from ‘I’m interested in this topic and would like to have a discussion to learn more’ as a QAnon follower is from a PhD student. I’m not the only one who picked up on it as you can see by the other commenter.
        generalizations 5y ago
        > there is a tone of ‘they’re up to something and it can’t be good’ No, there's a tone of 'exactly how dead is dead'. If you look at the other commenter, sometimes doctors jump the gun. > far from ‘I’m interested in this topic and would like to have a discussion to learn more’ as a QAnon follower is from a PhD student Congrats, you've managed to drag in completely unrelated politics. You're assuming the worst of me. You're comparing me to a Qanon follower, apparently. You're giving (unfounded) credit to a commenter who called me a 'covid vaccine denier'. Seems like you're implying that I'm not acting in good faith. It's like you're looking for people that fit your preconceptions, and shoehorning me into it. That's prejudice, plain and simple. Chill out.
pnutjam 5y ago
Tell me your a covid vaccine denier without telling me your a covid vaccine denier.