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It doesnt help that democrats paint anyone who finds this stuff obnoxious as republicans- they are alienating the largest constituent in America- independents.

by nverno 5y ago

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
There is a school of thought that says that there almost no "Independents" in the USA at all, only people unwilling to use "Democratic" or "Republican" as a label, and that the overwhelming majority of them fall into the "almost-never-trump Republican" category.
- nverno 5y ago
  Lemme guess- that 'school of thought' originates in one of the two major parties. Statistically, independents are the largest demographic by registration, so any further insight is based on various polls I'd assume? Basically everyone close to me is independent (mostly in the 'leans' democrat category), generally despises both parties, and I know many people who have voted for candidates from different parties in back to back elections.
omegaworks 5y ago
First off, not a democrat. Secondly, Republicans concretely instrumented and benefited from the CRT media moral panic. Not "painting" anyone, simply stating facts. https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conse...
- nverno 5y ago
  My comment was about democrats on the whole (and republicans) making it an us vs. them thing, not you personally.
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  It wasn't Republicans who thought it a good idea to constantly tell white schoolboys that they are "oppressors". If a political party can't take such virulent institutionalized hate and make political hay out of it, then it's not a political party worth keeping.
  - omegaworks 5y ago
    > It wasn't Republicans who thought it a good idea to constantly tell white schoolboys that they are "oppressors". Show me who's constantly telling white schoolboys they are oppressors and not that they are protected[1] by every institution we have[2]? It's an entirely invented self-victimization. 1. https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/stanford-rape-case-judge/487415/ https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/stanford-ra... 2. https://www.wymt.com/2020/08/28/nick-sandmann-joins-senate-majority-leader-mitch-mcconnells-campaign-team/ https://www.wymt.com/2020/08/28/nick-sandmann-joins-senate-m...
    - rsj_hn 5y ago
      You don't know what's going on in schools? Or have you just internalized this oppression narrative so much that you don't think there is any reason to oppose it? "Teachers who had light skin were placed into a “white caucus” group and asked to “remember” that we are “White” and “to take responsibility for [our] power and privilege.” D-E’s racial segregation of educators, aimed at leading us to rethink of ourselves as oppressors, was regressive and demeaning to us as individuals with our own moral compass and human agency."[1] Really this leaked out during the pandemic when schools went to zoom and parents saw what their kids were being taught. That is what created the outrage. Check out some of the data gathered by concerned parents and other whistleblowers: [1] https://www.fairforall.org/profiles-in-courage/dwight-englewood-whistleblower/ https://www.fairforall.org/profiles-in-courage/dwight-englew... https://ctmirror.org/2021/09/23/ct-educators-share-what-is-being-taught-in-their-classrooms-amid-growing-outrage-about-critical-race-theory/ https://ctmirror.org/2021/09/23/ct-educators-share-what-is-b... https://www.momsforliberty.org/ https://www.momsforliberty.org/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9490203/Parent-57-000-year-NYC-school-fired-teacher-criticizes-Critical-Race-Theory-lessons.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9490203/Parent-57-0... Here is testimony from dissident teachers complaining that they are being forced to teach this social justice narrative and that they are being policed even in their personal lives and private communication, complaining about the climate of fear and authoritarianism: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-pushes-back-against-k-12-critical-race-theory-indoctrination/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-p... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJBlgIA3K24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJBlgIA3K24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrOl2OFdcR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrOl2OFdcR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udc1gLW8u6g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udc1gLW8u6g

It doesnt help that democrats paint anyone who finds this stuff obnoxious as republicans- they are alienating the largest constituent in America- independents.

by nverno 5y ago

It doesnt help that democrats paint anyone who finds this stuff obnoxious as republicans- they are alienating the largest constituent in America- independents.

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago

There is a school of thought that says that there almost no "Independents" in the USA at all, only people unwilling to use "Democratic" or "Republican" as a label, and that the overwhelming majority of them fall into the "almost-never-trump Republican" category.

nverno 5y ago
Lemme guess- that 'school of thought' originates in one of the two major parties. Statistically, independents are the largest demographic by registration, so any further insight is based on various polls I'd assume? Basically everyone close to me is independent (mostly in the 'leans' democrat category), generally despises both parties, and I know many people who have voted for candidates from different parties in back to back elections.

omegaworks 5y ago

First off, not a democrat. Secondly, Republicans concretely instrumented and benefited from the CRT media moral panic. Not "painting" anyone, simply stating facts. https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conse...

nverno 5y ago
My comment was about democrats on the whole (and republicans) making it an us vs. them thing, not you personally.
rsj_hn 5y ago
It wasn't Republicans who thought it a good idea to constantly tell white schoolboys that they are "oppressors". If a political party can't take such virulent institutionalized hate and make political hay out of it, then it's not a political party worth keeping.
- omegaworks 5y ago
  > It wasn't Republicans who thought it a good idea to constantly tell white schoolboys that they are "oppressors". Show me who's constantly telling white schoolboys they are oppressors and not that they are protected[1] by every institution we have[2]? It's an entirely invented self-victimization. 1. https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/stanford-rape-case-judge/487415/ https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/stanford-ra... 2. https://www.wymt.com/2020/08/28/nick-sandmann-joins-senate-majority-leader-mitch-mcconnells-campaign-team/ https://www.wymt.com/2020/08/28/nick-sandmann-joins-senate-m...
  - rsj_hn 5y ago
    You don't know what's going on in schools? Or have you just internalized this oppression narrative so much that you don't think there is any reason to oppose it? "Teachers who had light skin were placed into a “white caucus” group and asked to “remember” that we are “White” and “to take responsibility for [our] power and privilege.” D-E’s racial segregation of educators, aimed at leading us to rethink of ourselves as oppressors, was regressive and demeaning to us as individuals with our own moral compass and human agency."[1] Really this leaked out during the pandemic when schools went to zoom and parents saw what their kids were being taught. That is what created the outrage. Check out some of the data gathered by concerned parents and other whistleblowers: [1] https://www.fairforall.org/profiles-in-courage/dwight-englewood-whistleblower/ https://www.fairforall.org/profiles-in-courage/dwight-englew... https://ctmirror.org/2021/09/23/ct-educators-share-what-is-being-taught-in-their-classrooms-amid-growing-outrage-about-critical-race-theory/ https://ctmirror.org/2021/09/23/ct-educators-share-what-is-b... https://www.momsforliberty.org/ https://www.momsforliberty.org/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9490203/Parent-57-000-year-NYC-school-fired-teacher-criticizes-Critical-Race-Theory-lessons.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9490203/Parent-57-0... Here is testimony from dissident teachers complaining that they are being forced to teach this social justice narrative and that they are being policed even in their personal lives and private communication, complaining about the climate of fear and authoritarianism: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-pushes-back-against-k-12-critical-race-theory-indoctrination/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/teacher-p... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJBlgIA3K24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJBlgIA3K24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrOl2OFdcR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrOl2OFdcR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udc1gLW8u6g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udc1gLW8u6g