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Seems strange that theft invalidates a warranty from first principles, its not like they took it apart or something

noah_buddy 5y ago
What first principles are you using? A warranty only makes sense when money was paid for the product, no? How else could you afford to provide support otherwise?
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  Additionally, a warranty only makes sense when the manufacturer can provide some quality guarantee on the product. That's much harder to provide with stolen goods... No way to know the thieves didn't take apart / damage the cards.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Seems strange that theft invalidates a warranty from first principles The warranty is transferred from the manufacturer to the consumer through the chain of commerce. Theft breaks the chain.
- arthurcolle 5y ago
  This makes the most sense out of all the arguments, kind of a chain of custody for warranty claims and how they flow from upstream (manufacturers) to downstream (end users I guess). Thanks
gpm 5y ago
The strange part is that they're discussing a warranty at all. Legally these are still their cards, if they find out you have one they can demand it back without offering any compensation whatsoever, not just not fix it for you for free.
- mike_d 5y ago
  They can demand all they want. They would need the police to charge you with felony receiving of stolen property, which means the card needs to be valued at over $950 and they have to be able to prove you knew it was stolen. I've dealt with this plenty of times with stolen employee laptops that get resold on craigslist. If the buyer purchased it in good faith, and the asset is replaceable, you aren't getting it back.
  - caf 5y ago
    Why can't they launch a civil action against the possessor?
paxys 5y ago
> its not like they took it apart or something How do you know that?
- arthurcolle 5y ago
  I don't know that for a fact - but I do know that companies fuck me with warranties all the time when they want to get out of paying for things so that was my immediate thinking. If something is obviously not damaged and has been designed (as is typical in our modern era) to not be opened, lack of any clear indications of opening should not constitute voiding the warranty on its own. the other poster's argument that it interrupts chain of custody is a bit stronger of an argument, but at the same time - this sounds like a great way to fuck customers who participate in the resale market even if the original company could theoretically fix a 3rd party sale of a core product. Good luck recovering these, EVGA, have fun

What first principles are you using? A warranty only makes sense when money was paid for the product, no? How else could you afford to provide support otherwise?

shadowgovt 5y ago
Additionally, a warranty only makes sense when the manufacturer can provide some quality guarantee on the product. That's much harder to provide with stolen goods... No way to know the thieves didn't take apart / damage the cards.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Seems strange that theft invalidates a warranty from first principles The warranty is transferred from the manufacturer to the consumer through the chain of commerce. Theft breaks the chain.

arthurcolle 5y ago
This makes the most sense out of all the arguments, kind of a chain of custody for warranty claims and how they flow from upstream (manufacturers) to downstream (end users I guess). Thanks

gpm 5y ago

The strange part is that they're discussing a warranty at all. Legally these are still their cards, if they find out you have one they can demand it back without offering any compensation whatsoever, not just not fix it for you for free.

mike_d 5y ago
They can demand all they want. They would need the police to charge you with felony receiving of stolen property, which means the card needs to be valued at over $950 and they have to be able to prove you knew it was stolen. I've dealt with this plenty of times with stolen employee laptops that get resold on craigslist. If the buyer purchased it in good faith, and the asset is replaceable, you aren't getting it back.
- caf 5y ago
  Why can't they launch a civil action against the possessor?

paxys 5y ago

> its not like they took it apart or something How do you know that?

arthurcolle 5y ago
I don't know that for a fact - but I do know that companies fuck me with warranties all the time when they want to get out of paying for things so that was my immediate thinking. If something is obviously not damaged and has been designed (as is typical in our modern era) to not be opened, lack of any clear indications of opening should not constitute voiding the warranty on its own. the other poster's argument that it interrupts chain of custody is a bit stronger of an argument, but at the same time - this sounds like a great way to fuck customers who participate in the resale market even if the original company could theoretically fix a 3rd party sale of a core product. Good luck recovering these, EVGA, have fun