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> stop guns from out of state from entering the city Stop letting them use gun control to ignore the underlying issues in the community. ME: Chicago has stric

> stop guns from out of state from entering the city Stop letting them use gun control to ignore the underlying issues in the community. ME: Chicago has strict gun control but high gun violence. Gun Control: They get guns from states with loose gun control. ME: But those states don't have the same gun violence Gun Control: Places in Chicago are poor & neglected so there's more violence. ME: BINGO, it's a socioeconomic issue not a gun issue! Last I checked on July 13, Chicago has 25.8% of shootings despite having 0.8% of the population. Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There is only one gun store in the entire country, and it takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally. Similar in India. Making guns illegal doesn't stop any of that. In India, underground criminals make the guns out of everyday stuff. And now a days, 3D printing had made this process even easier.

colinmhayes 5y ago
> Stop letting them use gun control to ignore the underlying issues in the community. I'm glad we agree that poverty is the root cause of gun violence, but realizing that does nothing to stop gun violence. Poverty isn't something that can be solved with the snap of a finger, although I certainly think we are on the right track. What do you think we should do to stop gun violence in the mean time? Nothing is a valid answer, but I don't think it's acceptable to a majority of people in this country.
- busymom0 5y ago
  The problem isn't simply about poverty/money or racism or past inequities, it's about corruption, gangs, fatherlessness, teacher unions and lack of school choice. Chicago has been fully one party ruled since 1931. Baltimore since 1963, Detroit since 1962 etc and so on. Why has none of the lives improved in these cities and they keep having gang problems? If Chicago hasn't been able to fix anything for almost a century, maybe it's time to either vote for another party or start a new party and vote for them. Related, 13 Baltimore City High Schools, Zero Students Proficient in Math. Baltimore is 2nd in per pupil spending. This is not because the schools dont get enough money. In fact its just about as far away from that as you can get. If despite getting the 2nd more funded, the students still can't do high school math, someone needs to look at what's going on in these schools. https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/7bvreb/13_baltimore_city_high_schools_zero_students/ https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/7bvreb/13_baltimore_c... https://archive.ph/VfciU https://archive.ph/VfciU http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-ce... https://archive.ph/cqIZd https://archive.ph/cqIZd
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    > Why has none of the lives improved in these cities and they keep having gang problems? Because the people are still poor? > lack of school choice. Most of the poor kids here are in charter schools. > Fatherlessness Agreed this is a major problem, it's mostly caused by poverty. > corruption Absolutely agree this is a huge problem. We tried to solve it by electing an outsider mayor, everyone hates her because she can't get anything done due to obstruction from corrupt politicians. Even if we ended corruption tomorrow, that would only move the end of poverty from many decades away to a few less decades away, not really a solution to gun violence. > gangs We arrested all the gang leaders. Now the gangs are just 10 dudes who went to elementary school together. Without leadership there is no one to stop them from shooting each other, it has made things quite a bit worse imo. As I said it isn't possible to just end gangs, there are always new people to fill the power vacuum.

colinmhayes 5y ago

> Stop letting them use gun control to ignore the underlying issues in the community. I'm glad we agree that poverty is the root cause of gun violence, but realizing that does nothing to stop gun violence. Poverty isn't something that can be solved with the snap of a finger, although I certainly think we are on the right track. What do you think we should do to stop gun violence in the mean time? Nothing is a valid answer, but I don't think it's acceptable to a majority of people in this country.

busymom0 5y ago
The problem isn't simply about poverty/money or racism or past inequities, it's about corruption, gangs, fatherlessness, teacher unions and lack of school choice. Chicago has been fully one party ruled since 1931. Baltimore since 1963, Detroit since 1962 etc and so on. Why has none of the lives improved in these cities and they keep having gang problems? If Chicago hasn't been able to fix anything for almost a century, maybe it's time to either vote for another party or start a new party and vote for them. Related, 13 Baltimore City High Schools, Zero Students Proficient in Math. Baltimore is 2nd in per pupil spending. This is not because the schools dont get enough money. In fact its just about as far away from that as you can get. If despite getting the 2nd more funded, the students still can't do high school math, someone needs to look at what's going on in these schools. https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/7bvreb/13_baltimore_city_high_schools_zero_students/ https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/7bvreb/13_baltimore_c... https://archive.ph/VfciU https://archive.ph/VfciU http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-ce... https://archive.ph/cqIZd https://archive.ph/cqIZd
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  > Why has none of the lives improved in these cities and they keep having gang problems? Because the people are still poor? > lack of school choice. Most of the poor kids here are in charter schools. > Fatherlessness Agreed this is a major problem, it's mostly caused by poverty. > corruption Absolutely agree this is a huge problem. We tried to solve it by electing an outsider mayor, everyone hates her because she can't get anything done due to obstruction from corrupt politicians. Even if we ended corruption tomorrow, that would only move the end of poverty from many decades away to a few less decades away, not really a solution to gun violence. > gangs We arrested all the gang leaders. Now the gangs are just 10 dudes who went to elementary school together. Without leadership there is no one to stop them from shooting each other, it has made things quite a bit worse imo. As I said it isn't possible to just end gangs, there are always new people to fill the power vacuum.