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I'll say it. People are tired of progressive extremism, like at once insisting that "CRT isn't being taught in schools" while with the other hand supporting CRT

I'll say it. People are tired of progressive extremism, like at once insisting that "CRT isn't being taught in schools" while with the other hand supporting CRT inspired school programs that teach racial awareness to children, and in particular white guilt to white children. You can look it up on the VA website, where CRT is explicitly mentioned as a part of primary school curriculum. This is arguably the biggest elephant in the room - independents and moderate democrats are increasingly speaking openly about the fact that the democratic party is overtly anti-white. Search for it on reddit; before today at best such comments would be downvoted and at worst grounds for a ban. Now they're sitting at the top of the comment chains. The election results in NJ and VA so far seem to mark a turning point. Hopefully soon enough to avoid the pendulum swinging back into true reactionary white supremacy - you know, the genocide kind. Meanwhile out of touch limousine liberals are doubling down on twitter and in media and blaming white supremacists for the election upsets. Something's going to break, one way or another.

malcolmgreaves 5y ago
From one white man to another white man: you're not being attacked, democrats aren't anti-white (have you looked at the leadership? very white indeed!), and you are still living in the system that our white ancestors made for us. Other people not being oppressed as much doesn't mean your liberties are at risk. It's OK to teach and learn about how racist people made racist systems. You don't need to feel guilty, unless you are out here actively supporting racist systems? If you're trying to use the social privileges that come with being a white man in America to dismantle racist structures, then you're doing great! If you're tried and don't want to do that work, ok, understandable: just don't throw in your two cents I'd you see other people doing this intense labor.
- remarkEon 5y ago
  >It's OK to teach and learn about how racist people made racist systems. Read: your ancestors are racist, and made a racist system for you >You don't need to feel guilty, unless you are out here actively supporting racist systems? Read: here comes the guilt trip >If you're trying to use the social privileges that come with being a white man in America to dismantle racist structures, then you're doing great! If you're tried and don't want to do that work, ok, understandable: just don't throw in your two cents I'd you see other people doing this intense labor. Read: there it is. At some point I figured people would realize this Kafkaesque formulation really turns people off. Any disagreement with the premise - any at all - and you are now required to retreat to claiming you're not a "racist" in front of someone who has set the rhetorical boundaries where such a claim is rejected outright, always. I actually think that's really the point, and it's nothing more than a new and pathological way to bully someone.
- omegaworks 5y ago
  This race has proven that it doesn't actually matter whether or not white people are being attacked (they're not) or whether CRT is even being taught in schools (it's not). Republicans effectively created a media moral panic around "Critical Race Theory" and it paid off for them in spades.
  - nverno 5y ago
    It doesnt help that democrats paint anyone who finds this stuff obnoxious as republicans- they are alienating the largest constituent in America- independents.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
      There is a school of thought that says that there almost no "Independents" in the USA at all, only people unwilling to use "Democratic" or "Republican" as a label, and that the overwhelming majority of them fall into the "almost-never-trump Republican" category.
      - nverno 5y ago
        Lemme guess- that 'school of thought' originates in one of the two major parties. Statistically, independents are the largest demographic by registration, so any further insight is based on various polls I'd assume? Basically everyone close to me is independent (mostly in the 'leans' democrat category), generally despises both parties, and I know many people who have voted for candidates from different parties in back to back elections.
    - omegaworks 5y ago
      First off, not a democrat. Secondly, Republicans concretely instrumented and benefited from the CRT media moral panic. Not "painting" anyone, simply stating facts. https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conse...
- twofornone 5y ago
  Look, first off, I'm not a white man. Second, I wasn't trying to debate whether this is right or wrong, only explaining why parents are voting out democrats. However I do take offense to your implication that teaching white children concepts like white privilege in a way that instills white guilt, and molding them to accept unilaterally determined reverse discrimination, does not constitute oppression. It's quite possible to teach about racism and discrimination and slavery without burdening white children with what amounts to a rehashed original sin, obligating them to accept reverse racism as though it is the only way to correct historic wrongs which they had no part in. >You don't need to feel guilty, unless you are out here actively supporting racist system This is dishonest, because it is a refrain used to guilt people into supporting progressive policies by implication that they are racist if they don't, completely sidestepping the argument over whether such policies are sound. >If you're trying to use the social privileges that come with being a white man in America to dismantle racist structures, then you're doing great! This is also dishonest, because it sidesteps the question of whether or not white men are actually privileged to such an extent that artificially correcting for said privilege (i.e. creating institutional racism) is justified. It also ignores the question of whether our institutions are actually racist - to a modern progressive this is a given, but the science is ultimately based on correlation and conjecture. The strongest proof that pundits have of institutional racism is inequality of outcome; however in a perfect meritocracy it is irrational to conflate equality of opportunity with equality of outcome. See Nordic countries for an example. To summarize, my primary points are twofold: the way that antiracism is being taught to white children is potentially harmful, and the degree to which our systems are actually unequal because of racism on behalf of whites is not nearly as certain as militant activists seem to believe. Before you downvote, recognize that I am communicating the perspective held by voters that are dramatically underrepresented online. And to an increasing degree they are not white, minorities do not appreciate the implication that they will forever be saddled with the burden of past oppression unless the white man steps in and helps them. Incidentally, I have do have a personal stake the this matter, because the same points used to justify reverse discrimination against whites can trivially be aimed at Jews, given their drastic overrepresentation among positions of power and wealth. I personally don't think people realize how dangerous it is to teach such racial awareness to children, especially in such a discriminatory manner.
akomtu 5y ago
And I like how they've been hiding behind the "progressive" label, as if pushing for electric vehicles and the identity politics are equally progressive ideas. That's something that bad guys have been doing for long time: they pick a good idea or symbol and attach themselves to it. This is how nazists have turned swastika (an ancient holy symbol) into something evil and how the supporters of the identity cult are destroying the image of the true progressives.
MisterBastahrd 5y ago
CRT isn't progressive extremism. It's history.

malcolmgreaves 5y ago

From one white man to another white man: you're not being attacked, democrats aren't anti-white (have you looked at the leadership? very white indeed!), and you are still living in the system that our white ancestors made for us. Other people not being oppressed as much doesn't mean your liberties are at risk. It's OK to teach and learn about how racist people made racist systems. You don't need to feel guilty, unless you are out here actively supporting racist systems? If you're trying to use the social privileges that come with being a white man in America to dismantle racist structures, then you're doing great! If you're tried and don't want to do that work, ok, understandable: just don't throw in your two cents I'd you see other people doing this intense labor.

remarkEon 5y ago
>It's OK to teach and learn about how racist people made racist systems. Read: your ancestors are racist, and made a racist system for you >You don't need to feel guilty, unless you are out here actively supporting racist systems? Read: here comes the guilt trip >If you're trying to use the social privileges that come with being a white man in America to dismantle racist structures, then you're doing great! If you're tried and don't want to do that work, ok, understandable: just don't throw in your two cents I'd you see other people doing this intense labor. Read: there it is. At some point I figured people would realize this Kafkaesque formulation really turns people off. Any disagreement with the premise - any at all - and you are now required to retreat to claiming you're not a "racist" in front of someone who has set the rhetorical boundaries where such a claim is rejected outright, always. I actually think that's really the point, and it's nothing more than a new and pathological way to bully someone.
omegaworks 5y ago
This race has proven that it doesn't actually matter whether or not white people are being attacked (they're not) or whether CRT is even being taught in schools (it's not). Republicans effectively created a media moral panic around "Critical Race Theory" and it paid off for them in spades.
- nverno 5y ago
  It doesnt help that democrats paint anyone who finds this stuff obnoxious as republicans- they are alienating the largest constituent in America- independents.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    There is a school of thought that says that there almost no "Independents" in the USA at all, only people unwilling to use "Democratic" or "Republican" as a label, and that the overwhelming majority of them fall into the "almost-never-trump Republican" category.
    - nverno 5y ago
      Lemme guess- that 'school of thought' originates in one of the two major parties. Statistically, independents are the largest demographic by registration, so any further insight is based on various polls I'd assume? Basically everyone close to me is independent (mostly in the 'leans' democrat category), generally despises both parties, and I know many people who have voted for candidates from different parties in back to back elections.
  - omegaworks 5y ago
    First off, not a democrat. Secondly, Republicans concretely instrumented and benefited from the CRT media moral panic. Not "painting" anyone, simply stating facts. https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conservative-activist-invented-the-conflict-over-critical-race-theory https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/how-a-conse...
twofornone 5y ago
Look, first off, I'm not a white man. Second, I wasn't trying to debate whether this is right or wrong, only explaining why parents are voting out democrats. However I do take offense to your implication that teaching white children concepts like white privilege in a way that instills white guilt, and molding them to accept unilaterally determined reverse discrimination, does not constitute oppression. It's quite possible to teach about racism and discrimination and slavery without burdening white children with what amounts to a rehashed original sin, obligating them to accept reverse racism as though it is the only way to correct historic wrongs which they had no part in. >You don't need to feel guilty, unless you are out here actively supporting racist system This is dishonest, because it is a refrain used to guilt people into supporting progressive policies by implication that they are racist if they don't, completely sidestepping the argument over whether such policies are sound. >If you're trying to use the social privileges that come with being a white man in America to dismantle racist structures, then you're doing great! This is also dishonest, because it sidesteps the question of whether or not white men are actually privileged to such an extent that artificially correcting for said privilege (i.e. creating institutional racism) is justified. It also ignores the question of whether our institutions are actually racist - to a modern progressive this is a given, but the science is ultimately based on correlation and conjecture. The strongest proof that pundits have of institutional racism is inequality of outcome; however in a perfect meritocracy it is irrational to conflate equality of opportunity with equality of outcome. See Nordic countries for an example. To summarize, my primary points are twofold: the way that antiracism is being taught to white children is potentially harmful, and the degree to which our systems are actually unequal because of racism on behalf of whites is not nearly as certain as militant activists seem to believe. Before you downvote, recognize that I am communicating the perspective held by voters that are dramatically underrepresented online. And to an increasing degree they are not white, minorities do not appreciate the implication that they will forever be saddled with the burden of past oppression unless the white man steps in and helps them. Incidentally, I have do have a personal stake the this matter, because the same points used to justify reverse discrimination against whites can trivially be aimed at Jews, given their drastic overrepresentation among positions of power and wealth. I personally don't think people realize how dangerous it is to teach such racial awareness to children, especially in such a discriminatory manner.

akomtu 5y ago

And I like how they've been hiding behind the "progressive" label, as if pushing for electric vehicles and the identity politics are equally progressive ideas. That's something that bad guys have been doing for long time: they pick a good idea or symbol and attach themselves to it. This is how nazists have turned swastika (an ancient holy symbol) into something evil and how the supporters of the identity cult are destroying the image of the true progressives.

MisterBastahrd 5y ago

CRT isn't progressive extremism. It's history.