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Grew up near Chicago but long gone before this happened so I looked it up: > Krupa needed 473 valid signatures of ward residents to get on the ballot. He filed

Grew up near Chicago but long gone before this happened so I looked it up: > Krupa needed 473 valid signatures of ward residents to get on the ballot. He filed 1,729 signatures with the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners. He earlier said he filed 1,703 but missed a page of signatures. > A crew of mysterious political workers — perhaps they were Buddhist monks, or the gentle sun people known as the Eloi, or maybe Madigan precinct captains — filed 2,796 petitions of revocation of signature. That means 2,796 ward residents filed legal affidavits that they wanted their signatures taken off Krupa’s petitions. > The Madigan men filed 187 affidavits of revocation matching Krupa signatures. But Dorf, a progressive who’d done election work for the late Mayor Harold Washington and former President Barack Obama, put in a Freedom of Information Act request asking the board to give him all the revocations affidavits that were filed. > All 2,796 of them. > “And that’s where the fraud comes in, that’s where the felonies come in,” Dorf said. “Almost 2,800 affidavits were filed. But only 1,726 people signed petitions for Krupa. And of the 2,800 affidavits, the 13th Ward could only find 187 signatures that matched. > Subtract 187 from 2,796 and you get 2,609 — that’s a lot of possible felonies, either perjury or voter intimidation. Ref: https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-met-chicago-13th-ward-alderman-election-kass-20181215-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-met-chic...

BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
We’ve got some pretty convincing evidence of corruption and election fraud here. BUT, rest assured this is extremely rare and these same people wouldn’t dare tamper with any other kind of election. Nor would this happen anywhere else in the United States. Anyone who asserts an election was subject to fraud is attacking democracy itself. /s
- ejstronge 5y ago
  > Anyone who asserts an election was subject to fraud is attacking democracy itself. /s I trust you are referring to problems with the 2020 election? I would appreciate learning what analogies you see between mob-like coercion and the election
  - BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
    Yes, for the most part. I do not think the doubts and suspicious anomalies are new or unique to the 2020 election, though. As for the mob-like coercion, I don’t think there was this same kind of intimidation going on in 2020. I was using this concrete example of election fraud to refute the oft-touted assertion that voter fraud is vanishingly rare in the United States, and, it is never serious enough to affect an election. In a naïve way I hope it opens the door to people being willing to accept the idea that if fraud can happen in big corrupt cities, it can happen elsewhere and we should tighten up our oversight laws.
    - adolph 5y ago
      Election irregularities are regular enough that fraud should be a plausible conjecture. Maybe the implicit goal is to limit obvious fraud enough to only make a difference in very close elections when the elect do not receive a big mandate one way or another and to maintain the fiction of votes making a difference.
      - adolph 5y ago
        Followup to "Election irregularities are regular enough that fraud should be a plausible conjecture." I think increased interest in election integrity after a contested election are great to the extent that high integrity processes are the truth to which society should work towards. Disputes about specific irregularities post-election are less valuable and a generic response could be "well, you should have cheated better."
moffkalast 5y ago
And I assume those 2,609 were then charged and went to prison right? Right? Ah who am I kidding.

BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago

We’ve got some pretty convincing evidence of corruption and election fraud here. BUT, rest assured this is extremely rare and these same people wouldn’t dare tamper with any other kind of election. Nor would this happen anywhere else in the United States. Anyone who asserts an election was subject to fraud is attacking democracy itself. /s

ejstronge 5y ago
> Anyone who asserts an election was subject to fraud is attacking democracy itself. /s I trust you are referring to problems with the 2020 election? I would appreciate learning what analogies you see between mob-like coercion and the election
- BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
  Yes, for the most part. I do not think the doubts and suspicious anomalies are new or unique to the 2020 election, though. As for the mob-like coercion, I don’t think there was this same kind of intimidation going on in 2020. I was using this concrete example of election fraud to refute the oft-touted assertion that voter fraud is vanishingly rare in the United States, and, it is never serious enough to affect an election. In a naïve way I hope it opens the door to people being willing to accept the idea that if fraud can happen in big corrupt cities, it can happen elsewhere and we should tighten up our oversight laws.
  - adolph 5y ago
    Election irregularities are regular enough that fraud should be a plausible conjecture. Maybe the implicit goal is to limit obvious fraud enough to only make a difference in very close elections when the elect do not receive a big mandate one way or another and to maintain the fiction of votes making a difference.
    - adolph 5y ago
      Followup to "Election irregularities are regular enough that fraud should be a plausible conjecture." I think increased interest in election integrity after a contested election are great to the extent that high integrity processes are the truth to which society should work towards. Disputes about specific irregularities post-election are less valuable and a generic response could be "well, you should have cheated better."

moffkalast 5y ago

And I assume those 2,609 were then charged and went to prison right? Right? Ah who am I kidding.