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I find this part hilarious "Durr said he entered the race after being denied a concealed carry permit despite having a clean record." So the state with one of

I find this part hilarious "Durr said he entered the race after being denied a concealed carry permit despite having a clean record." So the state with one of the most strict gun laws burns someone, and now he's probably going to win. I wonder if he's going to start turning screws to get their permit issue laws changed. Did you know in NJ you can not posses hollow point bullets? You can go to jail. 18 months in prison. You need to be extremely careful when driving through that state so you don't forget if you have some in the car.

beervirus 5y ago
New Jersey has some of the absolute worst gun laws in the country.
- busymom0 5y ago
  New Jersey is an example of the 30 day delay and often those 30 days turn into 7-8 months. I know several people there who went through this last year when the riots were happening and they wanted to purchase a firearm for the first time only to realize how strict the laws were. Ironic enough, they had themselves voted in these laws which were now causing them the problems. This changed the minds of at least 10 friends of mine on gun control. Tim Pool, popular YouTuber went from anti-2A to SUPER-PRO 2A last year and he's from New Jersey and went through this process. Here's forums of people complaining about this. You can find several similar examples: https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/97756-pistol-permit-delay/ https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/97756-pis... https://bearingarms.com/staff-ba/2021/03/26/new-jersey-gun-permits-face-new-legal-challenge-n42646 https://bearingarms.com/staff-ba/2021/03/26/new-jersey-gun-p...
  - lolbert 5y ago
    Tim Pool is "best-friends-with-nazis" and a known liar, and not living in New Jersey (instead, in a remote compound in Maryland). There is no reason at all to believe he has a change in belief, much less any reason at all to mention him, especially using his 'experience' as a pro-gun argument.
  - akomtu 5y ago
    Most of the time the voters are given no choice or a couple bad choices. For example, I liked Bernie for his ambition to reform healthcare, but of course that was bundled with anti 2A rhetoric. It would be interesting if candidates had to declare their intents in a formal way, just like a phone app has to formally request access to mic and cam, and if they are elected, they'd have to stay within the bounds they'd requested. So a guy who wanted to reform healthcare wouldn't be able to change his mind later and start reforming education.
- op00to 5y ago
  New Jersey has some of the best gun laws in the country.
  - beervirus 5y ago
    Yeah it’s a real hoplophobe’s dream.
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busymom0 5y ago
Gun control is over in Virginia at least. The Lt. Governor's election campaign was her at a gun range. And Governor Youngkin is also pro-2A. When 25.8% of the shootings are coming from Chicago which has just 0.8% population, maybe it's time to focus on gangs instead of making life miserable for legal gun owners.
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  Democrats still control the senate in virginia so I'm not sure gun control is over. Biased because I live in Chicago, but it's legitimately impossible to stop gangs as long as it's possible to get a gun. As soon as someone is arrested there are 5 kids ready to take their place. The only solutions to gun violence here are end poverty or stop guns from out of state from entering the city.
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  - busymom0 5y ago
    > stop guns from out of state from entering the city Stop letting them use gun control to ignore the underlying issues in the community. ME: Chicago has strict gun control but high gun violence. Gun Control: They get guns from states with loose gun control. ME: But those states don't have the same gun violence Gun Control: Places in Chicago are poor & neglected so there's more violence. ME: BINGO, it's a socioeconomic issue not a gun issue! Last I checked on July 13, Chicago has 25.8% of shootings despite having 0.8% of the population. Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There is only one gun store in the entire country, and it takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally. Similar in India. Making guns illegal doesn't stop any of that. In India, underground criminals make the guns out of everyday stuff. And now a days, 3D printing had made this process even easier.
    - colinmhayes 5y ago
      > Stop letting them use gun control to ignore the underlying issues in the community. I'm glad we agree that poverty is the root cause of gun violence, but realizing that does nothing to stop gun violence. Poverty isn't something that can be solved with the snap of a finger, although I certainly think we are on the right track. What do you think we should do to stop gun violence in the mean time? Nothing is a valid answer, but I don't think it's acceptable to a majority of people in this country.
yeuxardents 5y ago
Thats not exactly correct. You can own hollow points in NJ, but you may only transport them from place of purchase to your home, or from your home directly to the range where you intend to shoot them, or from range back to home. It is most certainly illegal to use hollow points in any instance in a case of self defense, even if the self defense is warranted.
- post_break 5y ago
  If that's the case, it's still completely dumb. If you shoot someone in self defense with ball ammo it's definitely going to over penetrate and keep going possibly hitting anyone or anything behind the threat. And what happens if you are driving from the range and experience a flat tire, have to use the restroom, an emergency where you need to go somewhere else. Bad laws.
  - sjg007 5y ago
    Hollow points are more destructive and dangerous to the person who was shot. They cause so much internal damage that the person will not survive a wound that may have been survivable otherwise. They are banned by the Geneva convention.
    - post_break 5y ago
      Why do police use them then?
      - namelessoracle 5y ago
        Because they are less likely to also shoot the person behind the person you shot.
    - betwixthewires 5y ago
      I'd like a source on that final sentence if you have it. I get the arguments for and against them, but I generally favor leaving those decisions up to the people involved.
tootie 5y ago
It's so bonkers. America has the most unfettered gun ownership laws in the developed world by a mile and somehow it's still a political wedge that can outweigh healthcare, fair taxation, education.
- busymom0 5y ago
  New Jersey (along with NY, CA) has the most unconstitutional gun control laws in America. If I have a daughter who's returning home late at night from University, I would want her to be armed for her own protection. Things like "taxation" are not the most important thing to her.
  - willvarfar 5y ago
    It would be better to live in the kind of country where girls can walk home at night safely without guns?
    - busymom0 5y ago
      I am originally from India.
      - mrverify 5y ago
        Hmm. Doesn't India have severe gun laws? Why aren't women safer in India yet?
        busymom0 5y ago
        India has extreme gun control laws unfortunately. If you are rich or politically connected, you can own guns or have bodyguards in India. Most people don't have that luxury there. Going through the process and it costs more than the average Indian's annual salary. Carrying guns in public places in most of India is prohibited. At least in the US, you can afford one fairly easily as long as your background check passes.
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schoolornot 5y ago
New York and specifically, New York City has the same issue. Year long application approvals with concealed carry permits granted at the discretion of the NYPD. There were supreme court arguments about this very issue today.
AlbertCory 5y ago
"turning screws"??? He's (presumably) going to be a legislator. One of many. He's not an executive, let alone a dictator.
- gbronner 5y ago
  As a legislator, he'll have a very good reason to get a concealed carry permit...
  - AlbertCory 5y ago
    If that's what you meant by "turning screws" then yeah, you're right. I thought you meant changing the whole system, which is well beyond the powers of one legislator.
adolph 5y ago
2014: Single Mom Who Admitted to Bringing Legal Gun into NJ Now Facing 11+ Years in Prison https://reason.com/2014/08/11/single-mom-who-admitted-to-bringing-lega/ https://reason.com/2014/08/11/single-mom-who-admitted-to-bri...

beervirus 5y ago

New Jersey has some of the absolute worst gun laws in the country.

busymom0 5y ago
New Jersey is an example of the 30 day delay and often those 30 days turn into 7-8 months. I know several people there who went through this last year when the riots were happening and they wanted to purchase a firearm for the first time only to realize how strict the laws were. Ironic enough, they had themselves voted in these laws which were now causing them the problems. This changed the minds of at least 10 friends of mine on gun control. Tim Pool, popular YouTuber went from anti-2A to SUPER-PRO 2A last year and he's from New Jersey and went through this process. Here's forums of people complaining about this. You can find several similar examples: https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/97756-pistol-permit-delay/ https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/97756-pis... https://bearingarms.com/staff-ba/2021/03/26/new-jersey-gun-permits-face-new-legal-challenge-n42646 https://bearingarms.com/staff-ba/2021/03/26/new-jersey-gun-p...
- lolbert 5y ago
  Tim Pool is "best-friends-with-nazis" and a known liar, and not living in New Jersey (instead, in a remote compound in Maryland). There is no reason at all to believe he has a change in belief, much less any reason at all to mention him, especially using his 'experience' as a pro-gun argument.
- akomtu 5y ago
  Most of the time the voters are given no choice or a couple bad choices. For example, I liked Bernie for his ambition to reform healthcare, but of course that was bundled with anti 2A rhetoric. It would be interesting if candidates had to declare their intents in a formal way, just like a phone app has to formally request access to mic and cam, and if they are elected, they'd have to stay within the bounds they'd requested. So a guy who wanted to reform healthcare wouldn't be able to change his mind later and start reforming education.
op00to 5y ago
New Jersey has some of the best gun laws in the country.
- beervirus 5y ago
  Yeah it’s a real hoplophobe’s dream.
- deleted 5y ago
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busymom0 5y ago

Gun control is over in Virginia at least. The Lt. Governor's election campaign was her at a gun range. And Governor Youngkin is also pro-2A. When 25.8% of the shootings are coming from Chicago which has just 0.8% population, maybe it's time to focus on gangs instead of making life miserable for legal gun owners.

colinmhayes 5y ago
Democrats still control the senate in virginia so I'm not sure gun control is over. Biased because I live in Chicago, but it's legitimately impossible to stop gangs as long as it's possible to get a gun. As soon as someone is arrested there are 5 kids ready to take their place. The only solutions to gun violence here are end poverty or stop guns from out of state from entering the city.
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- busymom0 5y ago
  > stop guns from out of state from entering the city Stop letting them use gun control to ignore the underlying issues in the community. ME: Chicago has strict gun control but high gun violence. Gun Control: They get guns from states with loose gun control. ME: But those states don't have the same gun violence Gun Control: Places in Chicago are poor & neglected so there's more violence. ME: BINGO, it's a socioeconomic issue not a gun issue! Last I checked on July 13, Chicago has 25.8% of shootings despite having 0.8% of the population. Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There is only one gun store in the entire country, and it takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally. Similar in India. Making guns illegal doesn't stop any of that. In India, underground criminals make the guns out of everyday stuff. And now a days, 3D printing had made this process even easier.
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    > Stop letting them use gun control to ignore the underlying issues in the community. I'm glad we agree that poverty is the root cause of gun violence, but realizing that does nothing to stop gun violence. Poverty isn't something that can be solved with the snap of a finger, although I certainly think we are on the right track. What do you think we should do to stop gun violence in the mean time? Nothing is a valid answer, but I don't think it's acceptable to a majority of people in this country.

yeuxardents 5y ago

Thats not exactly correct. You can own hollow points in NJ, but you may only transport them from place of purchase to your home, or from your home directly to the range where you intend to shoot them, or from range back to home. It is most certainly illegal to use hollow points in any instance in a case of self defense, even if the self defense is warranted.

post_break 5y ago
If that's the case, it's still completely dumb. If you shoot someone in self defense with ball ammo it's definitely going to over penetrate and keep going possibly hitting anyone or anything behind the threat. And what happens if you are driving from the range and experience a flat tire, have to use the restroom, an emergency where you need to go somewhere else. Bad laws.
- sjg007 5y ago
  Hollow points are more destructive and dangerous to the person who was shot. They cause so much internal damage that the person will not survive a wound that may have been survivable otherwise. They are banned by the Geneva convention.
  - post_break 5y ago
    Why do police use them then?
    - namelessoracle 5y ago
      Because they are less likely to also shoot the person behind the person you shot.
  - betwixthewires 5y ago
    I'd like a source on that final sentence if you have it. I get the arguments for and against them, but I generally favor leaving those decisions up to the people involved.

tootie 5y ago

It's so bonkers. America has the most unfettered gun ownership laws in the developed world by a mile and somehow it's still a political wedge that can outweigh healthcare, fair taxation, education.

busymom0 5y ago
New Jersey (along with NY, CA) has the most unconstitutional gun control laws in America. If I have a daughter who's returning home late at night from University, I would want her to be armed for her own protection. Things like "taxation" are not the most important thing to her.
- willvarfar 5y ago
  It would be better to live in the kind of country where girls can walk home at night safely without guns?
  - busymom0 5y ago
    I am originally from India.
    - mrverify 5y ago
      Hmm. Doesn't India have severe gun laws? Why aren't women safer in India yet?
      - busymom0 5y ago
        India has extreme gun control laws unfortunately. If you are rich or politically connected, you can own guns or have bodyguards in India. Most people don't have that luxury there. Going through the process and it costs more than the average Indian's annual salary. Carrying guns in public places in most of India is prohibited. At least in the US, you can afford one fairly easily as long as your background check passes.
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schoolornot 5y ago

New York and specifically, New York City has the same issue. Year long application approvals with concealed carry permits granted at the discretion of the NYPD. There were supreme court arguments about this very issue today.

AlbertCory 5y ago

"turning screws"??? He's (presumably) going to be a legislator. One of many. He's not an executive, let alone a dictator.

gbronner 5y ago
As a legislator, he'll have a very good reason to get a concealed carry permit...
- AlbertCory 5y ago
  If that's what you meant by "turning screws" then yeah, you're right. I thought you meant changing the whole system, which is well beyond the powers of one legislator.

adolph 5y ago

2014: Single Mom Who Admitted to Bringing Legal Gun into NJ Now Facing 11+ Years in Prison https://reason.com/2014/08/11/single-mom-who-admitted-to-bringing-lega/ https://reason.com/2014/08/11/single-mom-who-admitted-to-bri...