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> shit all over the place This is some very convenient blame-shifting to avoid noticing SF's distinct shortage of 24-hour public bathrooms[1]. [1]: https://ww

> shit all over the place This is some very convenient blame-shifting to avoid noticing SF's distinct shortage of 24-hour public bathrooms[1]. [1]: https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/San-Francisco-could-get-more-24-7-public-16273076.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/San-Franc...

jaywalk 5y ago
Talk about addressing a symptom instead of the problem.
- RC_ITR 5y ago
  I think one of the truest empathy tests is asking someone whether they think an unhoused person WANTS to shit on the street or not.
Apes 5y ago
You mean 24-hour private meth dens? San Francisco built a bunch of 24-hour public restrooms in the early 2000s downtown, and today they're horrendous. The problem is cyclical: people shit on the streets because there's no public restrooms -- but there's no public restrooms because San Francisco is filled with psychopaths who have no problem dropping their pants and shitting in the middle of a street. Give them a public restroom and they'll destroy it. The people causing these problems aren't normal people who think like you and just happen to be homeless. You can't relate to them by trying to project yourself into their position. They're completely different mentally. They do not think rationally, and they do not have any empathy for others around them.
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- Gigachad 5y ago
  Your comment is downvoted but it's something that has to be considered. Yes people shit on the streets because there are no toilets, but there are no toilets because it's extremely difficult to provide them due to abuse. It all links back to drug abuse again.
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    I think part of it is a refusal to give them utilitarian toilets that can't be destroyed for aesthetic reasons. e.g. toilets with no privacy and pressure washable steel
    - Gigachad 5y ago
      This would require some significant trial, design, study. My first question is are people who are willing to use a toilet publicly exposed actually likely to use it vs just some quiet street. And there are still plenty of ways to ruin a utilitarian toilet like shoving trash in and blocking the drain. At the very least most people can admit that the problem is more complex than simply dropping in some public toilet blocks. You have to consider these things because there are more than enough people willing to destroy things simply for the purpose of destroying them.
      - s1artibartfast 5y ago
        I'm not saying it a complete solution, but do think it can alleviate some concerns. >My first question is are people who are willing to use a toilet publicly exposed actually likely to use it vs just some quiet street. I believe the person willing to take a shit on the sidewalk on busy street, would also be willing to do so in a metal receptacle with TP provided. I think there are engineering solutions that might not make it unpluggable, but give it a pretty high up time. You're right that it might take some trial design and study. But that is an argument for trying it!
mtalantikite 5y ago
> Breed’s proposed program budget was $4.6 million annually for 25 toilets, none 24/7. Meanwhile Paris has about 400 of them, 150 of which are 24 hours, costing €6 million per year. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanisette https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanisette [2] https://en.parisinfo.com/practical-paris/useful-info/public-toilets https://en.parisinfo.com/practical-paris/useful-info/public-...

jaywalk 5y ago

Talk about addressing a symptom instead of the problem.

RC_ITR 5y ago
I think one of the truest empathy tests is asking someone whether they think an unhoused person WANTS to shit on the street or not.

Apes 5y ago

You mean 24-hour private meth dens? San Francisco built a bunch of 24-hour public restrooms in the early 2000s downtown, and today they're horrendous. The problem is cyclical: people shit on the streets because there's no public restrooms -- but there's no public restrooms because San Francisco is filled with psychopaths who have no problem dropping their pants and shitting in the middle of a street. Give them a public restroom and they'll destroy it. The people causing these problems aren't normal people who think like you and just happen to be homeless. You can't relate to them by trying to project yourself into their position. They're completely different mentally. They do not think rationally, and they do not have any empathy for others around them.

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Gigachad 5y ago
Your comment is downvoted but it's something that has to be considered. Yes people shit on the streets because there are no toilets, but there are no toilets because it's extremely difficult to provide them due to abuse. It all links back to drug abuse again.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  I think part of it is a refusal to give them utilitarian toilets that can't be destroyed for aesthetic reasons. e.g. toilets with no privacy and pressure washable steel
  - Gigachad 5y ago
    This would require some significant trial, design, study. My first question is are people who are willing to use a toilet publicly exposed actually likely to use it vs just some quiet street. And there are still plenty of ways to ruin a utilitarian toilet like shoving trash in and blocking the drain. At the very least most people can admit that the problem is more complex than simply dropping in some public toilet blocks. You have to consider these things because there are more than enough people willing to destroy things simply for the purpose of destroying them.
    - s1artibartfast 5y ago
      I'm not saying it a complete solution, but do think it can alleviate some concerns. >My first question is are people who are willing to use a toilet publicly exposed actually likely to use it vs just some quiet street. I believe the person willing to take a shit on the sidewalk on busy street, would also be willing to do so in a metal receptacle with TP provided. I think there are engineering solutions that might not make it unpluggable, but give it a pretty high up time. You're right that it might take some trial design and study. But that is an argument for trying it!

mtalantikite 5y ago

> Breed’s proposed program budget was $4.6 million annually for 25 toilets, none 24/7. Meanwhile Paris has about 400 of them, 150 of which are 24 hours, costing €6 million per year. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanisette https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanisette [2] https://en.parisinfo.com/practical-paris/useful-info/public-toilets https://en.parisinfo.com/practical-paris/useful-info/public-...