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It was the socialist authority that carried out a lot of the construction though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Vienna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Vie

by _vbnz 5y ago

It was the socialist authority that carried out a lot of the construction though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Vienna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Vienna Can't see that happening in SF, they'll probably just tighten up the laws on loitering and rough sleeping and send them to private prisons instead... even if it costs more.

dimitrios1 5y ago
SF isn't sending anyone to prison. It's open season on any type of burglary or theft. You have to leave your car completely unlocked and windows rolled down or they will 100% get smashed in.
- qorrect 5y ago
  Is this everywhere or just certain places ?
  - blululu 5y ago
    Needing to roll your car windows down is only a thing in certain neighborhoods and typically it is only the case at night. A friend used to have a car they parked in SOMA - where they lived - and they had their windows joy-bashed a few times before they gave up and parked their car in the east bay. I also know other people who park their cars on the streets without any issues. In general SFPD will not investigate anything short of a violent crime (I have personally experienced about $2k in property theft that they did not both to even file claims on for insurance purposes. I have needed medical treatment from an assault that was never investigated. FWIW, on one another occasion the police actually did catch the perpetrator of an assault with deadly case against me - though this was part of a much more serious set of crimes that happened on camera on a muni train). In short SF has some serious problems. The police have by and large abdicated any sense of personal, professional or civic responsibility. In the absence of law enforcement, the results are simply whether people choose to be decent or not. For the most part SF is safe, but there are also some serious a-holes who try to make life shitty for everyone else.
    - rsj_hn 5y ago
      SFPD don't investigate because the DA wont prosecute. Actually the DA has the lowest prosecution rate and highest dismissal rate of any DA in California (maybe in the U.S.) for even those things that the police do investigate, which is, as you point out, very little. "Since taking office Jan. 1, 2020 through March 1, 2021, Boudin has tried just 23 cases resulting in 16 convictions, including four assaults (three convictions); one auto burglary, one residential burglary, one gun felony (no conviction); three sexual assaults (two convictions); two robberies; seven misdemeanor DUIs (four convictions); and one misdemeanor vehicular homicide, which he lost. In 2019 during the same timeframe, Boudin’s predecessor, George Gascon, tried 294 cases and got 203 convictions. The San Francisco District Attorney’s Office obtains convictions by trial as well as convictions via plea agreement, however, they only release the number of convictions obtained by trial and have thus far rejected public records requests for convictions settled by plea agreement. Total convictions, therefore, are likely higher. In 2020, SFPD presented 6,333 felonies to Boudin’s office. Contrast that with neighboring Alameda County, where 6,331 felony cases were presented, resulting in 1,413 convictions. Alameda dismissed only 11.4 percent of cases, while San Francisco’s dismissal rate was 40 percent."[2] - - - "Prosecutors filed charges in 116 of 266 cases presented by police involving petty theft in 2020, compared to 450 of 647 cases in 2019, according to the data provided by the District Attorney’s Office."[1] - - - [1]https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/data-shows-chesa-boudin-prosecutes-fewer-shoplifters-than-predecessor/ https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/data-shows-chesa-boudin-pros... [2]https://www.marinatimes.com/chesa-boudin-by-the-numbers#:~:text=1%2C%202020%20through%20March%201,four%20convictions)%3B%20and%20one https://www.marinatimes.com/chesa-boudin-by-the-numbers#:~:t...
    - dimitrios1 5y ago
      > The police have by and large abdicated any sense of personal, professional or civic responsibility. The SFPD police department are heavily scrutinized, understaffed, underfunded, undertrained, and unsupported by higher levels of political officials, whom ironically carry around their own private security detail wherever they go in SF, who seek to villainize them for their own political gain. The DA's office throws everything out. You have "defund the police" clueless types abound. The fact that SF has anyone who is willing to do that work in that city is nothing short of a miracle.

by _vbnz 5y ago

dimitrios1 5y ago

SF isn't sending anyone to prison. It's open season on any type of burglary or theft. You have to leave your car completely unlocked and windows rolled down or they will 100% get smashed in.

qorrect 5y ago
Is this everywhere or just certain places ?
- blululu 5y ago
  Needing to roll your car windows down is only a thing in certain neighborhoods and typically it is only the case at night. A friend used to have a car they parked in SOMA - where they lived - and they had their windows joy-bashed a few times before they gave up and parked their car in the east bay. I also know other people who park their cars on the streets without any issues. In general SFPD will not investigate anything short of a violent crime (I have personally experienced about $2k in property theft that they did not both to even file claims on for insurance purposes. I have needed medical treatment from an assault that was never investigated. FWIW, on one another occasion the police actually did catch the perpetrator of an assault with deadly case against me - though this was part of a much more serious set of crimes that happened on camera on a muni train). In short SF has some serious problems. The police have by and large abdicated any sense of personal, professional or civic responsibility. In the absence of law enforcement, the results are simply whether people choose to be decent or not. For the most part SF is safe, but there are also some serious a-holes who try to make life shitty for everyone else.
  - rsj_hn 5y ago
    SFPD don't investigate because the DA wont prosecute. Actually the DA has the lowest prosecution rate and highest dismissal rate of any DA in California (maybe in the U.S.) for even those things that the police do investigate, which is, as you point out, very little. "Since taking office Jan. 1, 2020 through March 1, 2021, Boudin has tried just 23 cases resulting in 16 convictions, including four assaults (three convictions); one auto burglary, one residential burglary, one gun felony (no conviction); three sexual assaults (two convictions); two robberies; seven misdemeanor DUIs (four convictions); and one misdemeanor vehicular homicide, which he lost. In 2019 during the same timeframe, Boudin’s predecessor, George Gascon, tried 294 cases and got 203 convictions. The San Francisco District Attorney’s Office obtains convictions by trial as well as convictions via plea agreement, however, they only release the number of convictions obtained by trial and have thus far rejected public records requests for convictions settled by plea agreement. Total convictions, therefore, are likely higher. In 2020, SFPD presented 6,333 felonies to Boudin’s office. Contrast that with neighboring Alameda County, where 6,331 felony cases were presented, resulting in 1,413 convictions. Alameda dismissed only 11.4 percent of cases, while San Francisco’s dismissal rate was 40 percent."[2] - - - "Prosecutors filed charges in 116 of 266 cases presented by police involving petty theft in 2020, compared to 450 of 647 cases in 2019, according to the data provided by the District Attorney’s Office."[1] - - - [1]https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/data-shows-chesa-boudin-prosecutes-fewer-shoplifters-than-predecessor/ https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/data-shows-chesa-boudin-pros... [2]https://www.marinatimes.com/chesa-boudin-by-the-numbers#:~:text=1%2C%202020%20through%20March%201,four%20convictions)%3B%20and%20one https://www.marinatimes.com/chesa-boudin-by-the-numbers#:~:t...
  - dimitrios1 5y ago
    > The police have by and large abdicated any sense of personal, professional or civic responsibility. The SFPD police department are heavily scrutinized, understaffed, underfunded, undertrained, and unsupported by higher levels of political officials, whom ironically carry around their own private security detail wherever they go in SF, who seek to villainize them for their own political gain. The DA's office throws everything out. You have "defund the police" clueless types abound. The fact that SF has anyone who is willing to do that work in that city is nothing short of a miracle.