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Julia is pretty well regarded by people under her. Additionally, she has some big OSS names reporting directly to her like Miguel de Icaza and Guido van Rossum.

by Bognar 5y ago

Julia is pretty well regarded by people under her. Additionally, she has some big OSS names reporting directly to her like Miguel de Icaza and Guido van Rossum. Perhaps if she was hellbent on destroying open source then we might hear more about it or see some high profile exits? Have you considered that this could be just a bog standard corporate promotion + re-org and that you're reading too much into things?

ghuntley 5y ago
Previous leak related to decisions made by Julia from engineers in the .NET team at http://pastebin.com/RF6015kv http://pastebin.com/RF6015kv Now, to be clear, the focus should not be on the person. Instead the many corporate strategies in play here. GitHub just got slotted into the person who overlooks Azure SDK development.
- supthere 5y ago
  > Now, to be clear, the focus should not be on the person. He said after spending several hours drawing focus to the person, including by name in the very previous breath.
- Bognar 5y ago
  It's incredibly reductive to refer to DevDiv as Azure SDK development. Also, Nat reported directly to ScottGu whose purview is literally all of Azure and then some. Don't you think that's a closer relationship to Azure than someone who "overlooks Azure SDK development"?
  - ghuntley 5y ago
    GitHub CEO reporting to Gu is fundamentally different to the new structure of the GitHub CEO reporting to "The mission of the Microsoft Developer Division is to earn the trust and love of developers across all languages and platforms and make them successful as they build the applications of the future. DevDiv today includes our developer tools and services including Visual Studio, Visual Studio Code, NET and C#, TypeScript, and the OpenJDK. Our Azure Developer SDKs, as well as our Azure Application Development PaS and Serverless offerings (including our Azure App Services, Functions, Logic Apps, API Management, Dapr, Redis Cache, Spring Cloud services, etc.) are also part of this organization."
vxclax 5y ago
Van Rossum always goes to the corporation that is a) currently interested in Python and b) has many core developers that he can exert influence over. First Google: When Google started to favor Go, he quit. Then Dropbox: Quit after the walrus operator drama. Both OSS names seem quite corporate-oriented to me. How would they prevent OSS destruction?
ripley12 5y ago
> Julia is pretty well regarded by people under her. Not the impression I got after the hot reload disaster. I'm the person who raised the initial GitHub issue, and I talked to a handful of people high up in DevDiv off-the-record at the time. People were very unhappy with the decision internally, concerns were raised, and she still went ahead with a decision that showed very poor judgment.

by Bognar 5y ago

ghuntley 5y ago

Previous leak related to decisions made by Julia from engineers in the .NET team at http://pastebin.com/RF6015kv http://pastebin.com/RF6015kv Now, to be clear, the focus should not be on the person. Instead the many corporate strategies in play here. GitHub just got slotted into the person who overlooks Azure SDK development.

supthere 5y ago
> Now, to be clear, the focus should not be on the person. He said after spending several hours drawing focus to the person, including by name in the very previous breath.
Bognar 5y ago
It's incredibly reductive to refer to DevDiv as Azure SDK development. Also, Nat reported directly to ScottGu whose purview is literally all of Azure and then some. Don't you think that's a closer relationship to Azure than someone who "overlooks Azure SDK development"?
- ghuntley 5y ago
  GitHub CEO reporting to Gu is fundamentally different to the new structure of the GitHub CEO reporting to "The mission of the Microsoft Developer Division is to earn the trust and love of developers across all languages and platforms and make them successful as they build the applications of the future. DevDiv today includes our developer tools and services including Visual Studio, Visual Studio Code, NET and C#, TypeScript, and the OpenJDK. Our Azure Developer SDKs, as well as our Azure Application Development PaS and Serverless offerings (including our Azure App Services, Functions, Logic Apps, API Management, Dapr, Redis Cache, Spring Cloud services, etc.) are also part of this organization."

vxclax 5y ago

Van Rossum always goes to the corporation that is a) currently interested in Python and b) has many core developers that he can exert influence over. First Google: When Google started to favor Go, he quit. Then Dropbox: Quit after the walrus operator drama. Both OSS names seem quite corporate-oriented to me. How would they prevent OSS destruction?

ripley12 5y ago

> Julia is pretty well regarded by people under her. Not the impression I got after the hot reload disaster. I'm the person who raised the initial GitHub issue, and I talked to a handful of people high up in DevDiv off-the-record at the time. People were very unhappy with the decision internally, concerns were raised, and she still went ahead with a decision that showed very poor judgment.