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The military and education do hire people that care, insinuating that they don't seems very wrong. What I do see here, is that someone is speaking far outside t

by kodah 5y ago

The military and education do hire people that care, insinuating that they don't seems very wrong. What I do see here, is that someone is speaking far outside their domain of expertise. Software Engineers love to do this on a lot of subjects. Having a deep background in Systems it's amusing at times, but I certainly wouldn't say they don't care.

alexjplant 5y ago
> insinuating that they don't seems very wrong It's a good thing that's not what I did then... I said that the bad workers "crowd out those that actually give a shit", which means that there _are_ indeed people that care (albeit fewer than there should be). > What I do see here, is that someone is speaking far outside their domain of expertise. I spent 15 years working in government contracting, specifically in defense. I've worked with a _lot_ of civilian DoD employees (many of whom I respect immensely on a professional basis and consider my friends). I also am related to and am friends with a number of former public school teachers that left their field for greener pastures. Institutional rot isn't exactly a secret. Per the HN guidelines please > Assume good faith.
- kodah 5y ago
  Yeah, your corrected statement still seems wrong. I disagreed with your assessment, I didn't "assume bad faith". My personal disagreement is blaming individual people. There should be funding and education resources set up to ensure that people who make calls like this are educated enough to do so. You're in the business of personal accountability and I'm in the business of saying the people are a byproduct of the failing system. I'll bet my next paycheck if you wash out everyone that you deem lackluster and replace them with people you find to be excellent, the same outcome will be had over a matter of time.
torstenvl 5y ago
The military does hire people who care, and we are constantly frustrated re people who don't care.

by kodah 5y ago

alexjplant 5y ago

> insinuating that they don't seems very wrong It's a good thing that's not what I did then... I said that the bad workers "crowd out those that actually give a shit", which means that there _are_ indeed people that care (albeit fewer than there should be). > What I do see here, is that someone is speaking far outside their domain of expertise. I spent 15 years working in government contracting, specifically in defense. I've worked with a _lot_ of civilian DoD employees (many of whom I respect immensely on a professional basis and consider my friends). I also am related to and am friends with a number of former public school teachers that left their field for greener pastures. Institutional rot isn't exactly a secret. Per the HN guidelines please > Assume good faith.

kodah 5y ago
Yeah, your corrected statement still seems wrong. I disagreed with your assessment, I didn't "assume bad faith". My personal disagreement is blaming individual people. There should be funding and education resources set up to ensure that people who make calls like this are educated enough to do so. You're in the business of personal accountability and I'm in the business of saying the people are a byproduct of the failing system. I'll bet my next paycheck if you wash out everyone that you deem lackluster and replace them with people you find to be excellent, the same outcome will be had over a matter of time.

torstenvl 5y ago

The military does hire people who care, and we are constantly frustrated re people who don't care.