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In case people missed it. There was two promotions today. A new CEO at GitHub and the person GitHub reports to a MSFT also got promoted. Here’s the internal ms

In case people missed it. There was two promotions today. A new CEO at GitHub and the person GitHub reports to a MSFT also got promoted. Here’s the internal msft email https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29098640 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29098640 This person at MSFT who got promoted is the one that caused the problems in the dotnet community where features that had a go-live RTM license (as in merged and ready for long term support) were removed from the programming language so that more Microsoft Visual Studio licenses could be sold. Other items under this persons remit: - Visual Studio - .NET - Python - TypeScript - OpenJDK - GitHub (+NPM) - (hint hint) Azure SDKs (hint hint) - (hint hint) Azure PaaS / Azure Serverless (hint hint)

outside1234 5y ago
He previously worked under Scott Guthrie who manages all of Azure, so if anything, this breaks up any connection between Github and Azure.
MikusR 5y ago
This is probably what caused him to resign.
judge2020 5y ago
Despite Visual Studio being a paid product it's always slow and a pain to use. Maybe they should fix that instead of trying to gatekeep features. Don't forget https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22262 https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22262
- FpUser 5y ago
  I use Visual Studio to develop software ( C++ ) for Windows and Linux targets. I do not find it slow and rather than being "pain" it is actually way above other development IDEs in my opinion.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - alvarlagerlof 5y ago
    What's your cold boot time?
    - FpUser 5y ago
      Ok, just rebooted PC. Less than 2 seconds from clicking VS icon till the first prompt asking what do I want to do. After that again less than 2 sec to open previous project. Mind you this is first restart of Visual Studio in however many days had passed since the last update. Hence "cold boot time" is largely irrelevant to me. I value VS for reasons other than "cold boot time". IntelliSense and debugging features weigh way more in my decision to keep VS as my main development tool for C++. All my C++ servers are multiplatform: Linux/Windows. Usually I develop and debug on Windows and deploy on Linux. Deployment on Linux is handled by simple script that pulls from repo, builds and runs tests. However if needed VS can deploy, compile and debug straight on remote Linux server. I use this feature sometimes.
    - poutrathor 5y ago
      cold boot time is such a strange metric for an IDE. Do you spend your days closing and restarting yours ? Hot reloading could be a better metric maybe ? When I learnt to debug remote code from my Visual Studio, I was blown away. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/debugger/remote-debugging?view=vs-2019 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/debugger/remot...
      - FpUser 5y ago
        >"Hot reloading could be a better metric maybe" I have it running for weeks sometimes. My development desktop has 128GB RAM so VS just stays there. I frankly do not care about hot/cold reload time of this IDE at all even though it is very fast in my case. >"When I learnt to debug remote code from my Visual Studio, I was blown away." You should try VS 2022 preview. All you need is SSH access on remote comp. You do not have to deploy anything to target. VS does everything it needs
alfiedotwtf 5y ago
Nat successfully Embraced, and Extended Github. I'm just hoping he wasn't the one holding back an inevitable Extinguish... but here we are
nothatscool 5y ago
Strong feeling of impending doom
mritchie712 5y ago
What do you mean by Python being under them?
- judge2020 5y ago
  Perhaps https://devblogs.microsoft.com/python/supporting-the-python-community/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/python/supporting-the-python-...
  - toyg 5y ago
    TL;DR: - "We have at the time of writing, 5 core developers who contribute part time to the development of CPython: Brett Cannon, Steve Dower, Guido van Rossum, Eric Snow, and Barry Warsaw" - "also employs several core contributors and maintainers of key open-source projects in the Python ecosystem, including pandas, Dask, Jupyter, nteract, scikit-learn and Apache Arrow" - "$150K financial sponsorship of the PSF" - "long-time sponsors of PyCon US, having been the top-tier Keystone sponsors of the event for four years and continuing" (and other conferences too)
- ghuntley 5y ago
  From: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/k0s8qw/vs_code_developers_prevent_running_the_new/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/k0s8qw/vs_code_devel... “Microsoft doing shitty/shady things is nothing new, especially here, but seeing as they've recently started advocating for open-source, this seems like quite a step backwards. Some background first. Microsoft has been working on an open-source Python type checker called pyright for some time now. The first public commit dates back to 2019-03-11. It seems quite promising, though I haven't tried it myself yet, with them advertising "speed" as its main characteristic. All fine and good so far. Then, in October of this year, they released PyLance, a VS code extension that serves as a language server for Python and uses pyright for type checking. PyLance is not open-source”
jiggawatts 5y ago
I use most of those technologies daily, and I'm across much of the "controversies" and issues, but I don't get what you're hinting at. Feel free to be more candid...
- judge2020 5y ago
  There’s a large conflict of interest when Visual Studio is a paid commercial product, while VS Code is free yet gaining marketshare even in C#/C++ work. When someone is willing to sacrifice the OSS-licensed product (even after the feature was already coded[0]), it shows Microsoft’s true colors in that they “embrace OSS” only to the extent select teams at MS choose too; the culture isn’t one that puts OSS first over sales. 0: https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22262 https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22262
  - jiggawatts 5y ago
    My impression of VS Code was that it is a "loss leader" designed to keep users in the Microsoft ecosystem. It's about as "free" as Internet Explorer.
reasonabl_human 5y ago
Implying GitHub in its current form will die and functionality will gradually switch over to Az DevOps? Or what am I missing here..
- arvindamirtaa 5y ago
  Very unlikely! That'll be enough motivation for most OSS projects to move far far away!

outside1234 5y ago

He previously worked under Scott Guthrie who manages all of Azure, so if anything, this breaks up any connection between Github and Azure.

MikusR 5y ago

This is probably what caused him to resign.

judge2020 5y ago

Despite Visual Studio being a paid product it's always slow and a pain to use. Maybe they should fix that instead of trying to gatekeep features. Don't forget https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22262 https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22262

FpUser 5y ago
I use Visual Studio to develop software ( C++ ) for Windows and Linux targets. I do not find it slow and rather than being "pain" it is actually way above other development IDEs in my opinion.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- alvarlagerlof 5y ago
  What's your cold boot time?
  - FpUser 5y ago
    Ok, just rebooted PC. Less than 2 seconds from clicking VS icon till the first prompt asking what do I want to do. After that again less than 2 sec to open previous project. Mind you this is first restart of Visual Studio in however many days had passed since the last update. Hence "cold boot time" is largely irrelevant to me. I value VS for reasons other than "cold boot time". IntelliSense and debugging features weigh way more in my decision to keep VS as my main development tool for C++. All my C++ servers are multiplatform: Linux/Windows. Usually I develop and debug on Windows and deploy on Linux. Deployment on Linux is handled by simple script that pulls from repo, builds and runs tests. However if needed VS can deploy, compile and debug straight on remote Linux server. I use this feature sometimes.
  - poutrathor 5y ago
    cold boot time is such a strange metric for an IDE. Do you spend your days closing and restarting yours ? Hot reloading could be a better metric maybe ? When I learnt to debug remote code from my Visual Studio, I was blown away. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/debugger/remote-debugging?view=vs-2019 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/debugger/remot...
    - FpUser 5y ago
      >"Hot reloading could be a better metric maybe" I have it running for weeks sometimes. My development desktop has 128GB RAM so VS just stays there. I frankly do not care about hot/cold reload time of this IDE at all even though it is very fast in my case. >"When I learnt to debug remote code from my Visual Studio, I was blown away." You should try VS 2022 preview. All you need is SSH access on remote comp. You do not have to deploy anything to target. VS does everything it needs

alfiedotwtf 5y ago

Nat successfully Embraced, and Extended Github. I'm just hoping he wasn't the one holding back an inevitable Extinguish... but here we are

nothatscool 5y ago

Strong feeling of impending doom

mritchie712 5y ago

What do you mean by Python being under them?

judge2020 5y ago
Perhaps https://devblogs.microsoft.com/python/supporting-the-python-community/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/python/supporting-the-python-...
- toyg 5y ago
  TL;DR: - "We have at the time of writing, 5 core developers who contribute part time to the development of CPython: Brett Cannon, Steve Dower, Guido van Rossum, Eric Snow, and Barry Warsaw" - "also employs several core contributors and maintainers of key open-source projects in the Python ecosystem, including pandas, Dask, Jupyter, nteract, scikit-learn and Apache Arrow" - "$150K financial sponsorship of the PSF" - "long-time sponsors of PyCon US, having been the top-tier Keystone sponsors of the event for four years and continuing" (and other conferences too)
ghuntley 5y ago
From: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/k0s8qw/vs_code_developers_prevent_running_the_new/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/k0s8qw/vs_code_devel... “Microsoft doing shitty/shady things is nothing new, especially here, but seeing as they've recently started advocating for open-source, this seems like quite a step backwards. Some background first. Microsoft has been working on an open-source Python type checker called pyright for some time now. The first public commit dates back to 2019-03-11. It seems quite promising, though I haven't tried it myself yet, with them advertising "speed" as its main characteristic. All fine and good so far. Then, in October of this year, they released PyLance, a VS code extension that serves as a language server for Python and uses pyright for type checking. PyLance is not open-source”

jiggawatts 5y ago

I use most of those technologies daily, and I'm across much of the "controversies" and issues, but I don't get what you're hinting at. Feel free to be more candid...

judge2020 5y ago
There’s a large conflict of interest when Visual Studio is a paid commercial product, while VS Code is free yet gaining marketshare even in C#/C++ work. When someone is willing to sacrifice the OSS-licensed product (even after the feature was already coded[0]), it shows Microsoft’s true colors in that they “embrace OSS” only to the extent select teams at MS choose too; the culture isn’t one that puts OSS first over sales. 0: https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22262 https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22262
- jiggawatts 5y ago
  My impression of VS Code was that it is a "loss leader" designed to keep users in the Microsoft ecosystem. It's about as "free" as Internet Explorer.

reasonabl_human 5y ago

Implying GitHub in its current form will die and functionality will gradually switch over to Az DevOps? Or what am I missing here..

arvindamirtaa 5y ago
Very unlikely! That'll be enough motivation for most OSS projects to move far far away!