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That does not really make sense. Yeast from bread is not really a pathogen. Everything you eat, not just bread, is covered in wild yeast. Fermented foods, whic

by kortex 5y ago

That does not really make sense. Yeast from bread is not really a pathogen. Everything you eat, not just bread, is covered in wild yeast. Fermented foods, which are largely considered good for heath, are full of yeast. So you could refine that last bit to > We're taxing and confusing our immune systems by eating. if that were truly the case.

TremendousJudge 5y ago
> We're taxing and confusing our immune systems by eating. Well this is not wrong. I'm no expert, but it seems as though not eating (or drinking) would result in less need for inmune system activity, at least in the digestive track. Of course, you'd die, but maybe that was the cost of healthy living all along
noyeastguy 5y ago
This diet is hard to follow because yeast cuts through a lot of foods, especially in fermented foods as you've mentioned. A non-exhaustive list of yeasty foods looks like: Non-distilled vinegars, non-distilled alcohols, dried fruits, naturally-fermented soy sauce, cheese, many savory packaged goods, most vegan meat replacements, some dried spices, bread, etc. Fermented foods and mushrooms can be good at fighting cancer precisely because they ramp up the immune system. In fact yeast is used as an adjuvant inside of vaccines for this purpose. What's insane is that it is both known and not known that yeast causes inflammation by science. Used as adjuvant, used to "boost" immunity, yet not understood to be a cause of general low-grade systemic inflammation when in our food supply. Opportunistic Strains of Saccharomyces cerevisiae: A Potential Risk Sold in Food Products https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4705302/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4705302/
- BenjiWiebe 5y ago
  Most cheese, if not all, doesn't have yeast in it. It's bacteria that ferment it. Though I guess it will have as much wild yeast land on it as any other food in your plate but I don't think that's what the parent comment was referencing. Source: I've been involved in small commercial cheese making for years.
  - matthewterhune 5y ago
    Umm, yeast is a common surface flora on many cheeses (probably all natural rind cheeses), and you can in fact buy packets of Debaryomyces Hansenii and Candida Utilis from Danisco specifically for use in cheese. Source: I'm involved in cheesemaking.
- rob74 5y ago
  So what are you proposing? Trying to avoid everything that might cause an immune system reaction? That will eventually lead to the immune system really running amok...
  - noyeastguy 5y ago
    I'm just saying that a wheat and yeast-free diet has reversed Hidradenitis and many systemic inflammation symptoms for me. In trying to understand _why_ it became clear to me that yeast (and maybe wheat) trigger an inflammatory response in our innate immune system - by design. So it's probably not a good idea to eat yeast unless you want to up-modulate your immune system (inducing inflammation). Even if your body can down-modulate, isn't that just causing a sensitivity imbalance similar to diabetes and glucose? For example, Dectin-1 is one of many innate cellular receptors that launch inflammatory responses when Bread yeast (and others) is detected (and possibly 1,3 beta glucans from wheat). We are in a genetic war with saccharomyces cerevisia, inside of our DNA. And not just us, all animals need to be in this war, because otherwise we'd die. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLEC7A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLEC7A So if all this is true, does it make sense to put yeast extract in your gravy tonight?
sbierwagen 5y ago
Slightly off topic, but if this experiment https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/37259/mythbusters-grain-yeast-or-air-yeast https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/37259/mythbusters-grain-ye... is correct, bread yeast is specialized, and doesn't spread by air very well. I can easily imagine someone with a genetic trait that malforms a single protein could end up with a heritable sensitivity to one particular yeast strain, and not all yeast, everywhere.

by kortex 5y ago

TremendousJudge 5y ago

> We're taxing and confusing our immune systems by eating. Well this is not wrong. I'm no expert, but it seems as though not eating (or drinking) would result in less need for inmune system activity, at least in the digestive track. Of course, you'd die, but maybe that was the cost of healthy living all along

noyeastguy 5y ago

This diet is hard to follow because yeast cuts through a lot of foods, especially in fermented foods as you've mentioned. A non-exhaustive list of yeasty foods looks like: Non-distilled vinegars, non-distilled alcohols, dried fruits, naturally-fermented soy sauce, cheese, many savory packaged goods, most vegan meat replacements, some dried spices, bread, etc. Fermented foods and mushrooms can be good at fighting cancer precisely because they ramp up the immune system. In fact yeast is used as an adjuvant inside of vaccines for this purpose. What's insane is that it is both known and not known that yeast causes inflammation by science. Used as adjuvant, used to "boost" immunity, yet not understood to be a cause of general low-grade systemic inflammation when in our food supply. Opportunistic Strains of Saccharomyces cerevisiae: A Potential Risk Sold in Food Products https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4705302/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4705302/

BenjiWiebe 5y ago
Most cheese, if not all, doesn't have yeast in it. It's bacteria that ferment it. Though I guess it will have as much wild yeast land on it as any other food in your plate but I don't think that's what the parent comment was referencing. Source: I've been involved in small commercial cheese making for years.
- matthewterhune 5y ago
  Umm, yeast is a common surface flora on many cheeses (probably all natural rind cheeses), and you can in fact buy packets of Debaryomyces Hansenii and Candida Utilis from Danisco specifically for use in cheese. Source: I'm involved in cheesemaking.
rob74 5y ago
So what are you proposing? Trying to avoid everything that might cause an immune system reaction? That will eventually lead to the immune system really running amok...
- noyeastguy 5y ago
  I'm just saying that a wheat and yeast-free diet has reversed Hidradenitis and many systemic inflammation symptoms for me. In trying to understand _why_ it became clear to me that yeast (and maybe wheat) trigger an inflammatory response in our innate immune system - by design. So it's probably not a good idea to eat yeast unless you want to up-modulate your immune system (inducing inflammation). Even if your body can down-modulate, isn't that just causing a sensitivity imbalance similar to diabetes and glucose? For example, Dectin-1 is one of many innate cellular receptors that launch inflammatory responses when Bread yeast (and others) is detected (and possibly 1,3 beta glucans from wheat). We are in a genetic war with saccharomyces cerevisia, inside of our DNA. And not just us, all animals need to be in this war, because otherwise we'd die. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLEC7A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLEC7A So if all this is true, does it make sense to put yeast extract in your gravy tonight?

sbierwagen 5y ago

Slightly off topic, but if this experiment https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/37259/mythbusters-grain-yeast-or-air-yeast https://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/37259/mythbusters-grain-ye... is correct, bread yeast is specialized, and doesn't spread by air very well. I can easily imagine someone with a genetic trait that malforms a single protein could end up with a heritable sensitivity to one particular yeast strain, and not all yeast, everywhere.